We have too many players now, who are we trading this summer?

[oldschoolcalgary]

semin is an intriguing target... but he is an enigma.

i'd sign him on a 1 year deal, but would be worried about how he'd affect the room... high risk, high reward tho...

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I think BT will just stay in a holding pattern for now...

IMO it makes sense to let the season play out, 1) see where this team is in terms of being a contender 2) See what Jiri is looking for, money and term.

Trade deadline day would be the best time to trade him anyways - if Glencross can net you a 2nd and a 3rd, Hudler could get us a heck of a return if we go that route

Flames have probably already reached out to Hudlers agent to see what he is looking for. Unfortunatley they need to know what Jonny and Monny are looking for first. They are the priority in forward ranks.

I don't think Glencross is the best example if we are talking about trading Hudler at the deadline. Glencross was not doing much for the flames at the time and they didnt miss a beat without him. Taking out Hudler , if he is still playing well, would probably be a whole different ball game. Yes return would be good , but is it more important than making the playoffs, or taking the next step in the playoffs? Its a hard question to answer for me. I would trade him , if they are not re-singing him, but i would understand if they think playoffs and next step is more valuable.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

1) Logjam up front. A 2-for-1 reduces the number of bodies.
2) Frolik can play either wing. Maybe Sharp can too for all I know.

Having said that, I don't see a fit with Sharp either. Just from a cap point of view.

I understand the quantity vs quality, and I don't have a problem with giving up 2/3 players for 1, but only if that 1 player is in the right age group and is actually much better. Taking Sharp from Chicago would seem like doing them a favor from cap point of view. So, it looks like we are in agreement.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by theoforever

I understand the quantity vs quality, and I don't have a problem with giving up 2/3 players for 1, but only if that 1 player is in the right age group and is actually much better. Taking Sharp from Chicago would seem like doing them a favor from cap point of view.

It would be, with the idea being that you get him for less than it would cost without their cap constraints.

I have no idea what fair value is for Sharp right now.

[FlamesAddiction]

If Granlund can come in and show that he can handle regular 4th line duty, I expect the team to try and find a new home Stajan.

I think Stajan has some decent value for a rebuilding team that wants a veteran anchor and I also think he has more to offer still if he can get 2nd or 3rd line ice-time - something that he is unlikely to get a lot of in Calgary barring something catastrophic (knock on wood).

I think this team has matured enough and has enough veteran presence that he isn't as valuable to us as he used to be, but he could have some serious value for another team. I could see Columbus or Toronto being interested.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Flames have probably already reached out to Hudlers agent to see what he is looking for. Unfortunatley they need to know what Jonny and Monny are looking for first. They are the priority in forward ranks.

I don't think Glencross is the best example if we are talking about trading Hudler at the deadline. Glencross was not doing much for the flames at the time and they didnt miss a beat without him. Taking out Hudler , if he is still playing well, would probably be a whole different ball game. Yes return would be good , but is it more important than making the playoffs, or taking the next step in the playoffs? Its a hard question to answer for me. I would trade him , if they are not re-singing him, but i would understand if they think playoffs and next step is more valuable.

I like hudler and hope we can keep him, but agreed; i think that you'd definitely try to get a return out of him rather than letting him walk away for nothing if you can't or won't sign him. I still think letting Cammy walk for nothing was a head scratcher...

I mentioned Glencross because teams will overpay at the deadline...so if Hudler was going to be shopped, doing it during the trade deadline day will max out your return...

teams like Winnipeg or NYI are teams that might try looking to get deeper in the playoffs and both those teams have a lot of young prospects that they might flip for a guy like hudler in order to get them further in the playoffs...

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by theoforever

I understand the quantity vs quality, and I don't have a problem with giving up 2/3 players for 1, but only if that 1 player is in the right age group and is actually much better. Taking Sharp from Chicago would seem like doing them a favor from cap point of view. So, it looks like we are in agreement.

There is a pending expansion draft and you will need to expose player to the new teams. I can't see us holding onto granlund and shore as part of our protected list.

Think of this as well. Sharp has won three cups in the past six years. Do you think he could teach the kids what it takes to win?

Worst case scenario, you move him in the year of his expiring contract for a first rounder or prospects. Sharp would likely fetch you a larger return than shore or granlund would. Buys us some time as well while our prospects season more in Stockton.

Would we be a better team with sharp in our lineup? Probably. And that's what treliving's focus is. Making the team better to take the next step.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

There is a pending expansion draft and you will need to expose player to the new teams. I can't see us holding onto granlund and shore as part of our protected list.

Think of this as well. Sharp has won three cups in the past six years. Do you think he could teach the kids what it takes to win?

Worst case scenario, you move him in the year of his expiring contract for a first rounder or prospects. Sharp would likely fetch you a larger return than shore or granlund would. Buys us some time as well while our prospects season more in Stockton.

Would we be a better team with sharp in our lineup? Probably. And that's what treliving's focus is. Making the team better to take the next step.

Treliving said that he wants age appropriate players. Looks to me like we have enough veterans on the squad to help with the playoff push this year. Sharp is a good player, but he is 33 and will not be around when we are ready to compete. So, I don't want him around taking a spot from a young guy that can use some ice time.

Also, with expansion, each team can lose 2 players only, providing there are 2 teams being added, correct?

[kyuss275]

Not that the expansion draft is a sure thing, but its a shame its not this year. I know which 2 players i would put on that list.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Also, with expansion, each team can lose 2 players only, providing there are 2 teams being added, correct?

That seems likely, as it would adequately stock both new rosters. But the parameters of any upcoming expansion draft in terms of protected lists or how many players can be taken from any one team have not been revealed or alluded to anywhere I've seen.

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not that the expansion draft is a sure thing, but its a shame its not this year. I know which 2 players i would put on that list.

Names please!

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Treliving said that he wants age appropriate players. Looks to me like we have enough veterans on the squad to help with the playoff push this year. Sharp is a good player, but he is 33 and will not be around when we are ready to compete. So, I don't want him around taking a spot from a young guy that can use some ice time.

Also, with expansion, each team can lose 2 players only, providing there are 2 teams being added, correct?

Yes. If two teams we could lose two players. Expansion teams tend to focus on younger players so if left unprotected, shore and granlund could be targets.

I hear you on the young players but if we are at risk of losing players due to waivers because there is not enough room, wouldn't it be prudent to get something for those players instead of losing them?

If you can buy low on an asset that's good management. Especially if you can parlay that asset into something bigger at a later date which I believe would be the case here.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yes. If two teams we could lose two players. Expansion teams tend to focus on younger players so if left unprotected, shore and granlund could be targets.

I hear you on the young players but if we are at risk of losing players due to waivers because there is not enough room, wouldn't it be prudent to get something for those players instead of losing them?

If you can buy low on an asset that's good management. Especially if you can parlay that asset into something bigger at a later date which I believe would be the case here.

I don't like giving away anything, stock pilling quality assets is the way to go for sure.

There are so many variables such as being cap compliant, now and in near future, new contracts for Mony, Johnny, plus Gio and Hudler/Wideman situation, not to mention the few I would like to see gone Raymond, Bollig, Hiller, perhaps Stajan.

We still don't know the details and timing of that expansion.

If Treliving can navigate the waters and predict correctly we will be ok, if not well that's another story.

Our rebuild got accelerated with the Hamilton and Frolik additions, and in a good way to boot. I don't know what stage we are in right now, are we still collecting assets, or are we going for quality now. Looks like a little of both.

Fun times.

[activeStick]

I don't see Treliving subtracting from the D before the season starts. Hartley will give guys like Nakladal, Wotherspoon and Schlemko (if re-signed) a chance to see if they can handle the number 6 spot and if so, move Engelland at that time to a team in need when the inevitable injuries hit during the season. A guy like Engelland has good value and can step into a 4/5 spot.

Bollig I think stays and had a place on this team in the post season and Raymond, if he can rebound this year will likely get shopped because of the limited number of spots.

[Burke Salad]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I don't know why the Flames don't get Joe Nieuwendyk to teach all the Flames' centres to take faceoffs. He was one of the greats.

Actually the best face off man in team history is currently employed by the Flames - Joel Otto.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If Granlund can come in and show that he can handle regular 4th line duty, I expect the team to try and find a new home Stajan.

I think Stajan has some decent value for a rebuilding team that wants a veteran anchor and I also think he has more to offer still if he can get 2nd or 3rd line ice-time - something that he is unlikely to get a lot of in Calgary barring something catastrophic (knock on wood).

I think this team has matured enough and has enough veteran presence that he isn't as valuable to us as he used to be, but he could have some serious value for another team. I could see Columbus or Toronto being interested.

I suspect that if Granlund has a future with the Flames it is on the wing. Arnold is the guy I see replacing Stajan, if not this year then next year.

[Burke Salad]

Stajan would be a good fit for Edmonton' dressing room. A mature veteran that could calm there room. Not sure what he offers them on the ice though? For them I think the dressing room is a bigger concern.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Burke Salad

Stajan would be a good fit for Edmonton' dressing room. A mature veteran that could calm there room. Not sure what he offers them on the ice though? For them I think the dressing room is a bigger concern.

Great thing about the Oiler dressing room is that the young 'stars' don't like to listen to anyone that can't out produce them.
Ference wanted workouts in the morning but Hall was above that.

They will continue to suck because of the two tier dressing room dynamic.

[NewFan]

How about bring in Sedins and Byfuglien for Bennett, 2016 1st, 2nd, Klimchuk, Jankowski, Gillies, Hickey, Raymond, Jooris, 2017 1st try to win this year. I can't wait to win it all.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by NewFan

How about bring in Sedins and Byfuglien for Bennett, 2016 1st, 2nd, Klimchuk, Jankowski, Gillies, Hickey, Raymond, Jooris, 2017 1st try to win this year. I can't wait to win it all.

This post needs that Adam Sandler incorrect response video..

[keratosis]

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