[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[devo22]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Was just checking that the Flames had their 1st 2nd and 3rd for 2016... and the Flames have not traded away or acquired any draft picks for 2016 according to wikipedia...

Is that correct?

correct. As of today, the Flames still have all of their own draft picks for 2016 and beyond, while also not having acquired any other future draft picks.

It's been a while since the Flames had all of their own future picks ... Feaster gave up a lot of middle rounders after all, but most of the returns were excellent IMO (Russell and Colborne of course, but also Knight was a good gamble and the Flames were later able to get Shore for him).

[CliffFletcher]

Got the latest Hockey News yesterday. In the NHL Team Reports on page 54 is a photo and article about Dougie Hamilton, outlining how important he is to the Bruins and their future. On the same page, under top priorities for the Flames, they cite the need to add size and depth on the blue line.

Made me smile.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

How so?



If Hamilton signed an offer sheet for the deal he eventually signed and Boston did not match, it would have been a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Flames essentially upgraded the 3rd pick to another 2nd rounder to remove the Bruins opportunity to match.

The upgraded pick also allowed them to perhaps sign Hamilton to a more reasonable cap hit as a $5.75 per deal was only slightly higher than what Boston was already offering and likely would have been matched. A much larger cap hit would have likely been needed to prevent Boston from matching.

SebC's reasoning makes no sense. The return on offer sheets is horrible to start so if our trade came close to that we win, that's a poor return for Boston.

It also allowed us to sign Hamilton for slightly more then what the Bruins offered, so if he signed our offer sheet for that, the Bruins would have matched.

The Flames got Dougie for the price of an offer sheet, low for this player, and for a lower price then what would have made the offer sheet work.

You can't just say "Well, gee, it's the same as the offer sheet so it's bad" it's ignoring all the other factors around it.

[Plett25]

I wonder if anyone would change their vote in the poll now that we signed Hamilton to a pretty nice contract

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

SebC's reasoning makes no sense. The return on offer sheets is horrible to start so if our trade came close to that we win, that's a poor return for Boston.

That's the thing exactly. This is why offer sheets rarely work. The player is almost always more valuable to his old team than the compensation, so they match.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Okay McDavid is a stud, no point in arguing that. However, you stated that Hamilton was gifted to us by Boston as some sort of diabolical move by Boston to screw Edmonton, when actually it was a shrewd move by a GM to get a top young player for peanuts. You want to talk about gifting? How about the absolute dumpster fire your team is despite 3 #1 picks and then you miraculously get a 4th. Gross.

Also who is this new crew?

Talbot? The guy you has had a grand total of 57 NHL games playing behind one of the top defenses in the league. Sounds vaguely familiar. Oh right, that Scrivens guy who had nearly the same stats playing behind one of the top defenses in the league. How'd that work out?

Or are you talking about Reinhart? Slow footed Dman who couldn't crack the Islanders roster after 3 years and had a fantastically average season in the AHL last year. But yeah, he's got the same ceiling as Hamilton.

Maybe Gryba? A #6 stay at home Dman who pretty much every Ottawa fan out there said good riddance. But if there's anything Edmonton needs, it's bottom pairing Dmen.

Seriously, despite getting Gryba and Reinhart you've lost Petry and Marincin compared to last years D. That is a downgrade no matter how you look at it. You better pray Nurse or Reinhart take major developmental steps this year. You won't find anyone out there that doesn't rank Edmonton's defense as the worst in the league. By a mile.

Until the rest of the "all-star" forwards learn to give a crap about defense and back checking this team is going nowhere. But please continue telling us how next year is THE year. It's like an annual tradition now, 8 years and going strong.

Paybacks in the name of competition between GMs happens. Lowe vs Burke for the offer sheet of Penner or the GMs for Vancouver and St Louis where they each sent offer sheet to one another's players (Bernier and Backes). I am sure Boston did not need the extra concern that ex-GM Chiarelli was rumoured to possibly send an offer sheet for Hamilton given that Boston is trying to decide whether to sign Hamilton under a tight cap space with July 1 coming.

So I am not the only one to think that Calgary got a gift from Boston not because of Treliving shrewd dealings but at the expense of Edmonton where a payback to Chairelli was the goal. Edmonton had a slightly better offer (16,33,57) for Hamilton than Calgary (15,45,52). However, Boston wanted Darnell Nurse as well and Edm said no. Calgary never have to offer any players for example such as Gio or Bennett to get Hamilton. Other teams were puzzled and some were upset that they were never afforded any chance to negotiate. Now, I am no mind reader or have a PhD in human behaviour but given the speed of the negotiation and the lesser return from Calgary, Edm's arch rival, let's assume it is too much of a coincidence.

Below was quoted later after the trade:



Reinhart is only 21 yrs old dman with a lot of development to go. He certainly did not get to play and mentored under Chara. Lets not put the horse before the cart.

I referred to the McDavid and the crew, the crew being the top 5 returning forwards but under the new coach, McLellan and new co-coaches. Certainly they cannot do anything worse than Eakins did. Lets wait and see.

McDavid was a lucky draw of the lottery and Edm won with their odds. They certainly didn't Buffalonixleafs tank for it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Paybacks in the name of competition between GMs happens. Lowe vs Burke for the offer sheet of Penner or the GMs for Vancouver and St Louis where they each sent offer sheet to one another's players (Bernier and Backes). I am sure Boston did not need the extra concern that ex-GM Chiarelli was rumoured to possibly send an offer sheet for Hamilton given that Boston is trying to decide whether to sign Hamilton under a tight cap space with July 1 coming.

So I am not the only one to think that Calgary got a gift from Boston not because of Treliving shrewd dealings but at the expense of Edmonton where a payback to Chairelli was the goal. Edmonton had a slightly better offer (16,33,57) for Hamilton than Calgary (15,45,52). However, Boston wanted Darnell Nurse as well and Edm said no. Calgary never have to offer any players for example such as Gio or Bennett to get Hamilton. Other teams were puzzled and some were upset that they were never afforded any chance to negotiate. Now, I am no mind reader or have a PhD in human behaviour but given the speed of the negotiation and the lesser return from Calgary, Edm's arch rival, let's assume it is too much of a coincidence.

Below was quoted later after the trade:



Reinhart is only 21 yrs old dman with a lot of development to go. He certainly did not get to play and mentored Chara. Lets not put the horse before the cart.

I referred to the McDavid and the crew, the crew being the top 5 returning forwards but under the new coach, McLellan and new co-coaches. Certainly they cannot do anything worse than Eakins did. Lets wait and see.

McDavid was a lucky draw of the lottery and Edm won with their odds. They certainly didn't Buffalonixleafs tank for it.

If Hamilton has been so much better because of Chara, how do you think Reinhart will end up the same? Is Schultz going to show him the ropes?

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If Hamilton has been so much better because of Chara, how do you think Reinhart will end up the same? Is Schultz going to show him the ropes?

I think Schultz needs to be mentored as well. Schultz wanted more ice time before he would sign with any team. That was his main concern and the Oilers was the team to do that because they don't have much of a d crew. That was the problem in his development. Schultz needed more ice time on the farm and needed a mentor, a veteran dman to play with. His development was rushed just like it was for Petry when Ryan Whitney was injured for two years. He too was rushed into the fray. So, no, it would not be positive for Reinhart to be mentored under Schultz but perhaps Sekera. To be honest, I don't think Reinhart will be ready to play in the NHL next year either perhaps occasionally.

[Oil Stain]

I still have a really hard time believing that none of the teams in draft positions say 3-8 wouldn't have offered their pick for Hamilton.

I would have if I were a GM in their postion.

You get a 21 year old 1st pairing D-man. If you are Carolina, or Philly, or Columbus, you dream that your pic turns out that well.

It seems so bizarre that the only two deals leaked were just a mid-first and two seconds.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I still have a really hard time believing that none of the teams in draft positions say 3-8 wouldn't have offered their pick for Hamilton.

I would have if I were a GM in their postion.

You get a 21 year old 1st pairing D-man. If you are Carolina, or Philly, or Columbus, you dream that your pic turns out that well.

It seems so bizarre that the only two deals leaked were just a mid-first and two seconds.

It was reported that the Coyotes did not accept the #3 for Hamilton because Maloney was fixated on getting a center in this draft. They countered with their 2016 1st for Hamilton.

Also lots of speculation that the Bruins were unwilling to trade him to an Eastern conference team.

[theoforever]

Based on Verve's writing I can conclude that 7 months younger Reinhart, would have acquired foot speed just like Hamilton if Chara was his mentor.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Based on Verve's writing I can conclude that 7 months younger Reinhart, would have acquired foot speed just like Hamilton if Chara was his mentor.

Makes sense, a guy as big as Chara, probably eats quite a bit, so the younger guys learned that they had to be faster to meals or else big Chara wouldn't leave anything for them, and tell them learn Grasshoppa.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I still have a really hard time believing that none of the teams in draft positions say 3-8 wouldn't have offered their pick for Hamilton.

I would have if I were a GM in their postion.

You get a 21 year old 1st pairing D-man. If you are Carolina, or Philly, or Columbus, you dream that your pic turns out that well.

It seems so bizarre that the only two deals leaked were just a mid-first and two seconds.

Only way Sweeney was gonna get that prized combo of 13,14,15 picks, heard he was very determined.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Lets not put the horse before the cart..

But that's where the horse goes.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

But that's where the horse goes.

Maybe I'm drunk, or maybe that's the funniest thing I've seen in a while

[GoJetsGo]

Verve's presence here is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Dajazz]

Edmonton and their fans is a gift that keeps on giving. The sheer awkwardness of the owner and his love for the old boys, the bold statements, the coaching carousel and the utter failure to capitalise IN ANY WAY ON THEIR #1 PICKS.

As much as I an humored I am also a little disgusted. Even here in Sweden people make fun of the oilers, that's how bad it is.

[Hells Bells]

I can't even read beyond him questioning why the Flames didn't have to throw in Gio or Bennett.

Like Nurse's value is even in the same stratosphere.

[PantherExtreme]

Yeah i never did quite get why Nurse was such a dealbreaker in getting Dougie for the oil.

[Hatter]

I'm no Oiler fan, but if the Bruins wanted Nurse in addition to the reported 16,33,57 I wouldn't have done it either.

Darnell Nurse is an excellent prospect. The Reinhart trade is the puzzling one to me. 16 and 33 with Barzal and Connor still available was puzzling for a D with a limited skillset.