[Trade] Kessel ,Biggs, & Erixon to Pens for Spaling, Kapenen, Harrington and 2 picks - Page 10 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

BigTuna · 07-02-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OzSome

Toronto fans was ticked off that they didn't get enough for Phil Kessel. I tend to disagree since I never even thought someone will even trade for him because of his outrageous contract. I thought if he ever got traded, Toronto will have to retain big chunks of his contract and they'll also get a bad contract in return. They received a 1st round pick from last year's draft in Kaperis Kapanen, D Scott Harrington, veteran Spalling(was decent in Nashville) and some draft picks. All they did was retained 15% of contract, got rid of a prospect Biggs who doesn't seem to fit in and much travelled D Tim Erixon, whom they picked up free on waiver last season. Now the Leafs will have cap space to sign another player. So if another team is willing to do the same thing for Phaneuf, Brendan Shanahan will be laughing.
As for Kessel, i think he is lucky that he won't get picked on by Toronto media as much anymore. He won't be the go-to-guy in Pittsburgh and he'll even play with either Crosby or Malkin. That's like winning the lottery.

The Leafs aren't signing anyone with that cap space. They may take a bad contract off someone's hands, but that's it.

BigTuna · 07-02-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Around 6 mill. Kinda what Pit made his salary to be in order to fit him in. Anything less then 7 mill is solid for him. Biggest kicker is the term. Salary is not the issue. He has 7 years left, thats an issue for most teams.

Not the least bit realistic. He's been PPG. Is 8th in overall points the last 5 years and has been UFA eligible. We've seen 3rd liners get 5.5 million+ since he signed his deal.

Da_Chief · 07-02-2015, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Not the least bit realistic. He's been PPG. Is 8th in overall points the last 5 years and has been UFA eligible. We've seen 3rd liners get 5.5 million+ since he signed his deal.

Did you read my whole post? Jeez.

BigTuna · 07-02-2015, 03:01 PM

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Did you read my whole post? Jeez.

Yes I did. Not realistic at all.

Da_Chief · 07-02-2015, 03:16 PM

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Yes I did. Not realistic at all.

What's not realistic? Anything under 7 (which is what Pens agreed to) being solid for him? Or his 7 years remaining being a problem for teams?

BigTuna · 07-02-2015, 03:44 PM

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What's not realistic? Anything under 7 (which is what Pens agreed to) being solid for him? Or his 7 years remaining being a problem for teams?

Saying he's worth 6 million.

KootenayFlamesFan · 07-02-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Saying he's worth 6 million.

I guess I'll ask you a question then.

If he's such a great player and scorer, why did only one team get serious with the Leafs about trading for him? I mean, if his contract is fair value in your mind.

BigTuna · 07-02-2015, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I guess I'll ask you a question then.

If he's such a great player and scorer, why did only one team get serious with the Leafs about trading for him? I mean, if his contract is fair value in your mind.

He had a NTC. His list was a terrible one for making a deal. All his teams had serious cap issues.

Now we're changing the subject. No one as good as Kessel with his stats will be worth 6 million per.

KootenayFlamesFan · 07-02-2015, 03:50 PM

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He had a NTC. His list was a terrible one for making a deal. All his teams had serious cap issues.

Then why was it reported that the Flames were kicking tires but the Pens were the only serious bidder? The Flames weren't on his list. There weren't teams lining up for him, mainly due to that contract of his. It's why the Leafs had to eat some salary as well.

drewtastic · 07-02-2015, 04:31 PM

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Enoch Root · 07-02-2015, 05:17 PM

that was brilliant!

The Fonz · 07-02-2015, 09:49 PM

Steve Simmons is intolerable. Such a dick head

PaperBagger'14 · 07-03-2015, 12:57 AM

At 6x6, who would you rather have right now, Phil Kessel or Taylor Hall? Personally I'd say Hall (I'm going for a shower now, I feel so dirty).

killer_carlson · 07-03-2015, 03:07 AM

Kessel

Resolute 14 · 07-03-2015, 07:38 AM

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At 6x6, who would you rather have right now, Phil Kessel or Taylor Hall? Personally I'd say Hall (I'm going for a shower now, I feel so dirty).

In that case, Kessel. But mostly because Hall is fragile as hell and is pretty much a lock to miss 20 games a year.

And BigTuna - you can't really argue against the idea that Kessel is really worth less than $7 million when the only team that was really interested in was interested only below $7 million. Otherwise, Toronto would not be eating 15% of his salary.

Even then, all that netted you was a non-guaranteed first round pick, a meh defensive prospect and a decent forward prospect. Even then, you had to give up a 2nd and a couple spare parts to get it done.

The Swedish Flame · 07-03-2015, 11:43 AM

ignore

dustygoon · 07-03-2015, 11:54 AM

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Karmanos sure comes off sounding unprofessional and bitter there. Not sure what the point of that was other than to have his reputation take a hit.

There is a potential buyer of some or all of hurricanes. PK is deflecting

powderjunkie · 07-03-2015, 01:59 PM

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At 6x6, who would you rather have right now, Phil Kessel or Taylor Hall? Personally I'd say Hall (I'm going for a shower now, I feel so dirty).

Kessel in a heartbeat. 5 time 30 goal scorer (also on pace in lockout season) who has a fat face and is awkward with the media - only ridiculed because he was in Toronto. Has not missed a game in the last 5 seasons, and has only missed 24 in his entire career. He also has 22 career playoff games. Terrible defensively.

Taylor Hall has played 75, 65, 61, 53 and 45 (lockout) games. I suppose he's been on pace to score 30 goals a couple times, but those theoretical goals don't do much for your team. 0 playoff games played. Terrible defensively.

DJones · 07-03-2015, 02:17 PM

Comparing Kessel, RORs and Halls contracts.

I'd prefer Kessel by a mile

BigTuna · 07-03-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

In that case, Kessel. But mostly because Hall is fragile as hell and is pretty much a lock to miss 20 games a year.

And BigTuna - you can't really argue against the idea that Kessel is really worth less than $7 million when the only team that was really interested in was interested only below $7 million. Otherwise, Toronto would not be eating 15% of his salary.

Even then, all that netted you was a non-guaranteed first round pick, a meh defensive prospect and a decent forward prospect. Even then, you had to give up a 2nd and a couple spare parts to get it done.

Shanahan claims there were others interested BTW.

And yes, he's worth more than 7. Aklexander Semin is worth 7.5 million per.