We have too many players now, who are we trading this summer?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Jooris & Granlund will be waiver exempt

Jooris signed when he was 23, which makes his exemption either three years or 60 NHL games, whichever comes first. Jooris has played 69 NHL games (60 regular season, 9 playoff), so is no longer waiver exempt.

Granlund signed when he was 20, which makes his exemption either 3 years or 160 NHL games, whichever comes first. Granlund has played 58 NHL games over the last 2 years, which means he continues to be waiver exempt. His exemption will end either next season or when he plays another 102 NHL games.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by #-3

I have a really strong feeling Colborne will be packages with a couple of guys for a strong top 6 forward.

I just don't think there is the money to pay him long term, and I could see a cap team trading a much better $5M+ player with little term left for him, to create some space.

I can almost guarantee he won't be traded. Besides that one stupid penalty in the playoffs, the guy is pretty solid and he's a big young centerman with a lot of up side. Hopefully, he'll turn into a Joel Otto type player. He's still young - be patient.

[Vinny01]

I think Raymond needs to be moved out. He does have top end speed so if he could somehow bounce back perhaps there is a fit with Bennett and Frolik? Personally ifnthe Flames can find a taker they should. Teams want speed so maybe there is a spot for Raymond on another team?

I also think if the Flames can move Hiller they should. I would like to have the Finnish duo of Ramo and Ortio in net next year.

[undercoverbrother]

trade only the crappy ones.

[Huntingwhale]

I think Jones will be gone before the season starts. Hard to say on the back end. I could see the Flames selling high on Wideman after the season he had. But I also see them keeping him as we truly have an elite blueline now.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

trade only the crappy ones.

Well...that is in part how we ended up with Hamilton so.

People felt like moving on with Glencross. Gets moved.
People start throwing Baertschi into trade proposals. Gets moved.
People toss in Reinhart as leftovers as a trade throw in. Gets moved...

Next two guys out are likely Raymond and Hiller then, because Brad seems to think on the same frequency as CP's general opinion.

[N26]

For me this is all about Dennis Wideman. I find I can argue to keep him and to trade him almost equally. It's obvious Raymond should go but that is so unlikely. Wideman, for me is the very definition of asset management.

Pros (to trading him)
- His contract has reasonable term left and $5.25 is actually an alright deal for a 40+ points D-man right now
- Value may never be higher
- Most tradeable player not identified as core (along with Hudler I suppose)

Cons
-Do the Flames have NHL-ready depth for a playoff fight and playoff run? Can we expect contributions from TSpoon, Nakladal, Morrisson & Smid this year?
- Can we get more for him at the trade deadline? Or as potentially our 5th D-man this year will 3rd pairing minutes drastically reduce his trade attractiveness as the season progresses
-Is he a part of the leadership of the team? Part of what made the room so strong last year? He was given an "A"
-Why, after adding Hamilton and having a D-group that many see as one of the best, immediately reduce it's strength?

[Enoch Root]

I think it's a year early for Wideman. Keep him this year and give the kids more time to develop.

Hopefully they are pushing hard by next year and we can move him without missing a beat.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I think Jones will be gone before the season starts. Hard to say on the back end. I could see the Flames selling high on Wideman after the season he had. But I also see them keeping him as we truly have an elite blueline now.

Jones is worth keeping. One year left and he is a right shooting right wing. He has a role to play on this team imo

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Jones is worth keeping. One year left and he is a right shooting right wing. He has a role to play on this team imo

Plus the 'big 2 points' response makes it too hard to let him go just yet.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Not sure how he will fit in, but I think Shore is making the team out of camp. Seems highly regarded and ready to make the NHL. If not, they may be forced into a crappy trade for a fifth or something, which would be terrible value.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Not sure how he will fit in, but I think Shore is making the team out of camp. Seems highly regarded and ready to make the NHL. If not, they may be forced into a crappy trade for a fifth or something, which would be terrible value.

We traded Corban Knight for him - a fifth round pick of Florida's. Who we acquired from them from a fourth round pick. I'm not too worried about what the return is for Shore if he does get dealt, even if it is a seventh rounder.

[Vinny01]

This year when Johnny, Monahan, and Bennett are cheap I think we should keep Wideman around. We have an elite blue line and next year would be the time to move him or maybe mid-season if Spoon can step up

[Flash Walken]

Jones could be another 2nd + 3rd rounder at this year's deadline.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

We traded Corban Knight for him - a fifth round pick of Florida's. Who we acquired from them from a fourth round pick. I'm not too worried about what the return is for Shore if he does get dealt, even if it is a seventh rounder.

I'm not picking on you, but you should be concerned for the value you get on every trade. That's how you turn assets like Reto Berra, a floundering Sven Baertschi and a declining Curtis Glencross into 2nd round picks that help net you guys like Hunter Smith and Dougie Hamilton.

The minute you start to get poor returns on trades is the day the team starts to decline. You can get mediocre value for players, but a 7th round pick for Shore would be TERRIBLE asset management.

[Red Menace]

Why does everyone think teams will take all of our bad contracts?
It would be nice if we could deal Raymond, Bollig or Jones...but it is not too likely we could get anything for them. unless there are teams trying to reach the floor....I guess it could happen in that scenario.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

The only one you really need to trade in the summer is Hudler. He'll want term on his next contract, something the Flames shouldn't even remotely entertain for a player of his age, given our forward depth, age of our core and the fact we just signed Frolik for 5 years which takes him to his early 30's.

Hudler is also at his highest value right now after last year and his recent lady Bing, so there will be value for a contender. And, he's not the type of guy you can wait to move later in the season for a couple or reasons. One, his value can only go down, best case scenario it holds if he has another year like last year. Two, get into the season with him, and we do well, might be tough to move him and not send the wrong message to a young team that might be thinking it has a shot at it. Move him now, after signing Frolik and you can play up the swapping due to contract status and long term focus for the team, do it when the team might be fighting for the division and it's a deflator for the guys.

I know we've all fallen in love with Hudler, but there is no long term fit for the two parties IMO and I just hope they don't wait to long and fail to get value.

The rest of the vets on that list won't drive value and can be exited as young players take their spots.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Moving our leading scorer and a player who seems to be an important locker room presence for guys like Monahan, Hudler, Granlund, and now Frolik would be really foolish, especially on a team that has little depth on right wing (which happens to be his off-wing). Trading Hudler in the summer is stupid. Trading him near the trade deadline might be logical, but honestly, with the chemistry he's had with just about any linemate, he's an incredibly valuable player and someone we should look to re-sign to a shorter term contract. Highly skilled wingers with Hudler's attitude and experience are not easily found. More often you can obtain a guy with problems like Semin or Evander Kane.

TLDR: You don't trade your best players at their peaks.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Moving our leading scorer and a player who seems to be an important locker room presence for guys like Monahan, Hudler, Granlund, and now Frolik would be really foolish, especially on a team that has little depth on right wing (which happens to be his off-wing). Trading Hudler in the summer is stupid. Trading him near the trade deadline might be logical, but honestly, with the chemistry he's had with just about any linemate, he's an incredibly valuable player and someone we should look to re-sign to a shorter term contract. Highly skilled wingers with Hudler's attitude and experience are not easily found. More often you can obtain a guy with problems like Semin or Evander Kane.

TLDR: You don't trade your best players at their peaks.

I agree the biggest loss is the potential leadership and chemistry. But your argument has two flaws, one, the fact he was our best player is not relevant on a rebuild team given his age. If he's still our best player two years from now, even if he stays, we have problems that Hudler himself won't be able to solve. Two, do you honestly think we are realistically a contender this year? We've had a good offseason to date for sure, but I'm still not convinced even with Hudler we are anything more than a playoff team next year. With the growth of our young guys, 2 years from now might be a possibility, but Hudler's contract is up, and the only way he's still here is if we give him more money and term than we can afford with our young guys coming up, so he's not going to be here anyway.

One could also argue that Frolik replaces Hudler's leadership, versus him requiring it. He's won as many cups and has as much playoff experience as Hudler, although I admit I don't expect him to have the chemistry with the guys Hudler clearly does.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good problem to have, but it is a bummer. But IMO keeping Hudler around is nothing more than being scared for the short term because we already know he's not going to be a long term fit. Hanging in to him just makes him harder to move, unless the team ####s the bed next season, and the. It doesn't really matter.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I'm not picking on you, but you should be concerned for the value you get on every trade. That's how you turn assets like Reto Berra, a floundering Sven Baertschi and a declining Curtis Glencross into 2nd round picks that help net you guys like Hunter Smith and Dougie Hamilton.

The minute you start to get poor returns on trades is the day the team starts to decline. You can get mediocre value for players, but a 7th round pick for Shore would be TERRIBLE asset management.

Well, should that happen in Shore's case, I hope you have the strength and courage to make it through such TERRIBLE times. I'll be sleeping soundly.