Was nice seeing that it was Ashoka appear at the end, glad to see she survived Order 66 (Would she have even been on the list?)
Has it been renewed for more seasons?
Yup
They have already done half of the episodes, sounds like its a longer season too.
There was a lot that I liked about that episode, especially the space battle, we finally saw what Blockade runners can do. The lightsaber fight was really well done as well and the characters got a lot deeper.
I loved the Inquisitors line, "There are worse things to fear then death" I think that had to do with the fear of the Emperor more the n Vader. Failure has its costs.
Ashoka's return was great but its already been confirmed that she won't have a bunk on the ghost, nor will Vader be a regular villain which is good because Vader is probably at the height of his power and the height of his rage and self loathing.
I really laughed at the conversation between the two Storm Troopers when the grafitti'd tie fighter landed
Stormtrooper 1 - "Hey that's not regulation"
Stormtrooper 2 - "I like it"
This season started like the Clone Wars series did, it was built around a younger audience, but as Clone Wars progressed it got darker and darker and we saw deaths and betrayals and a lot of morally dark themes.
Even with Disney, I can't help but think that this series will keep its light tone, especially with Tarkin and Vader involved. You could be light and make the Imperial Agent look like a bit of a blundering fool, but with Tarkin and Vader they represent the fist of the Emperor's new order, and with Tim Curry signed on to reprise his role as the Emperor, its dark times ahead.
We know by the time Emperor Strikes back that Luke is the last of the Jedi, the Eu books where Luke finds hundreds of Jedi are in an alternate or classic reality and not this one. So what does this mean for Ezra, Kanan and Ashoka?
I'm sure that Ashoka will eventually have that fateful confrontation with her old master, its got to happen, and it will be interested to see where it goes. Does Snipes rejoin her Master? I doubt it, and I also doubt that Vader at this point is just going to let her go.
Do Kanan and Ezra have to die? I think at some point Ezra lets his anger get the better of him and it leads to disaster, I don't see how Kanan can survive unless he takes Hera and they flee from the conflict.
At some point a hero is going to die, we saw it in Clone Wars, we'll see it here.
I'm very much looking forward to seeing a powerful Vader and more of the ruthless Tarkin.
I want to see how things that are relatively light get oppressed under the boot of the Empire.
I've always said that the animated Clone War series was better then the prequel trilogy, it explained the downfall of the Jedi, and it made it easier to understand Anakin's long path to darkness.
I hope this carries on that legacy.
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As for Ashoka being on the list. When she walked away from the Jedi Order she would have been one of the lost Jedi, the order would have been keeping tabs on her. I wonder if Vader maybe hid her name from the Emperors agents in order to protect her as long as she didn't return to her Jedi ways.
I just have this scene vision in my head from next season at the start if Vader and Ashoka get into close proximity to each other if she realizes who's under the mask?
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Really excited about season 2, it looks stellar and darker
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in one scene in the first episode, Darth Vader attacks and decimates a rebel squadron and fleet. Ashoka and the crew of the ghost get involved, Ashoka feels a force user and reaches out and the scene switches to Vader's tie fighter as he states "So the Apprentice Lives" Ashoka promptly breaks the contact and faints, when she wakes up and she's asked if she knows who the Force User was, she lies
We also get to see how powerful Vader is in a fight
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Watched "The Seige of Lothal" tonight with my son. Good solid start to the second season, but I found Vader to be weak with the light saber, though strong with the force and his piloting.
He does not seem as mean and filled with hate as he should be, though maybe that will come. Instead Vader seemed to be more of a general in a war than the lord of evil.
I think the Ashoka story-line will be awesome though.
I enjoyed it. I thought maybe Kanan and Ezra didn't have a tough enough time with Vader as they should have.
But Vader taking our the fleet with a single TIE was kind of cool.
I really felt a main character needed to die for the stakes of Vader being involved to feel "real". But it's a kids show, so I'm not sure I see that happening.
When does season 2 start in earnest?
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To me Vader isn't a rage monster, while he's driven by fear, anger and hatred, he was also very controlled in ANH. The secret of the Sith is that while they are driven by those emotions, they aren't at the core of their being, the core of their being is gaining knowledge through power.
As far as Vader in the duel with Ezra, and Kanan he was pretty much toying with the both of them, when he absent mindedly backhanded Ezra. When he grabbed Kanan's wrist and threw him across the platform, and when he easily deflected the blaster shots back at Sabine he was incredibly casual about it, like kicking a rat.
And remember he wanted them to escape.
I also like how ruthlessly he ordered the burning of Tarkintown.
Yes he dominated the Rebel Fleet and their best squadron.
Remember Kanan's training basically ended when he was still very young, he's untrained, Ashoka is the primary threat and tool to Vader, and you heard the menace when he mentioned Kenobi's name.
At this point, I fully believe that when he faces Ashoka, there will be no conflict, Vader is at the height of his power and fury here, he's still relatively young, and he still burns at the perceived betrayals all around him.
I'm sure that Ashoka will try to talk some sense into him and realize that there is no conflict in Vader right now.
If you go and watch the last season episodes that weren't released, when Anakin is talked to about Ashoka, he reacts to her leaving the Jedi Order with anger and disappointment. He doesn't love her like he loves his son. Given the choice, well he will give her the choice, she will refuse and probably die.
BTW I loved the flat "The Apprentice Lives" and the discussion with the Emperor where they both refer to Anakin as if he's another person.
The season starts in Sept, my PVR is set to record another episode this week with is labeled 203, so I wonder if they will introduce the new inquisitors. We've seen hints of a male and a female, I'm guessing the female is a name from the past
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Bariss, or Ventress
and Dave Filoni has hinted several times that main characters have to die for the story to have impact.
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I've always assumed Ashoka was going to perish at the hands of Vader. So thats where I see her arc end. Would be cool if she just took off again after a sweet duel with him though.
I've always assumed Ashoka was going to perish at the hands of Vader. So thats where I see her arc end. Would be cool if she just took off again after a sweet duel with him though.
I don't see how this series ends in any other way but tragedy if its allowed to go to its logical end.
In a new hope, there was a desperate rebellion that was on the losing side of things until the destruction of the Death Star.
The Jedi were all but wiped out except for Kenobi and Yoda.
In the clone wars series they really weren't afraid to bring tragic endings to characters, whether via killing them, or making them fall.
I have a feeling that
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Zeb will be the first to go, they really haven't developed him all that well.
I think that Sabine will get sick of the fighting and secrets on both sides and leave.
I think Chopper will survive even though he's really only there as a comedy bit.
I doubt they kill Hera, but I doubt she stays with the rebels.
Kanan simply has to either die or put down his lightsaber and walk away from being a Jedi.
Ezra, is too powerful to survive and he's basically met Yoda. In Empire Strikes back when Yoda alludes to another hope he wasn't talking about Ezra.
Ashoka, I think she does have to die at the hands of her master, they can even make it emotional. After Vader strikes her down in fury, he stands over her watching her die and he whispers "I'm sorry". That way we can still see the bit of "good" in Vader.
What I'd like to see in the last episode is the final confrontation between Vader, Ezra and Kanan. Its a lot tougher this time, but eventually Vader stabs Kanan through the heart killing him, Ezra screams with a fury and attacks Vader with a rage, but Vader holds him off and tells him that there is another way to gain revenge.
The last scene we see Ezra on the bridge of a star destroyer staring out of the window, wearing a black robe.
Then he melts Chopper down into a commemorative coin
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They had a few of the unfinished final season episodes on the Disney site for a while, I don't know if they were there. The final season was supposed to be a full season that featured a lot of closure items for main characters. Ashoka and her love interest from earlier. Ashoka and Anikan. Cad Bane etc. But they ended up going with the season 6 stuff
The order 66 storyline with the clone troopers (excellent)
The banking clan storyline (ok)
the weird Jar Jar Binks story line
And the Yoda quest which I didn't like much
There were 9 unfinished epsidoes
Bad Batch which was a four parter was aired once at a convention.
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Wasn't Bariss blown up by a walker during Order 66? Or is that non-cannon these days?
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It was cut from the movie and never shown so its not even legends Canon. Basically the only cut scene from that movie was Bariss talking to wookies.
The books that she was in are all legends.
In fact the last that we saw of her in anything Canon was confessing to the bombing at the Jedi Temple and attacking Ashoka.
her last quote
"I did it. Because I've come to realize what many people in the Republic have come to realize, that the Jedi are the ones responsible for this War. That we've so lost our way that we have become villains in this conflict, that we are the ones that should be put on trial, all of us! And my attack on the Temple was an attack on what the Jedi have become: an army fighting for the dark side, fallen from the Light that we once held so dear. This Republic is failing! It's only a matter of time."
If you go by that, it was felt she was already corrupted and probably ended up serving the end of the war in Imperial Custody.
Her master Luminara was executed as seem in Rebels, so it wouldn't take much to really twist her to the Dark side.
If she is an Inquisitor she'd be a very powerful one, the Inquisitor that we saw last year was on the level of Kanan who is a guy that never completed his training. Barriss was pretty much a Jedi Knight.
The other possibility is Ventress who was already far on the dark side, and still alive at the end of the Clone Wars. Plus Vader would be very familiar with her.
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It was cut from the movie and never shown so its not even legends Canon. Basically the only cut scene from that movie was Bariss talking to wookies.
The books that she was in are all legends.
In fact the last that we saw of her in anything Canon was confessing to the bombing at the Jedi Temple and attacking Ashoka.
her last quote
"I did it. Because I've come to realize what many people in the Republic have come to realize, that the Jedi are the ones responsible for this War. That we've so lost our way that we have become villains in this conflict, that we are the ones that should be put on trial, all of us! And my attack on the Temple was an attack on what the Jedi have become: an army fighting for the dark side, fallen from the Light that we once held so dear. This Republic is failing! It's only a matter of time."
If you go by that, it was felt she was already corrupted and probably ended up serving the end of the war in Imperial Custody.
Her master Luminara was executed as seem in Rebels, so it wouldn't take much to really twist her to the Dark side.
If she is an Inquisitor she'd be a very powerful one, the Inquisitor that we saw last year was on the level of Kanan who is a guy that never completed his training. Barriss was pretty much a Jedi Knight.
The other possibility is Ventress who was already far on the dark side, and still alive at the end of the Clone Wars. Plus Vader would be very familiar with her.
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Ventress is in the new novel coming out next week. Based on unproduced Clone Wars scripts.
It seems to me they were turning her into more of an anti hero later on in the series. But who knows.
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Ventress is in the new novel coming out next week. Based on unproduced Clone Wars scripts.
It seems to me they were turning her into more of an anti hero later on in the series. But who knows.
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Yeah they twisted Ventress from what she was originally in the first clone war series, a complete rage machine. I like that they gave her depth, that she saw her Jedi protector and master slaughtered by pirates and she swore revenge against the galaxy as a whole.
In the original legends canon, she was redeemed in the end when she told Obi-wan to "defend Coruscant" just before the events in Revenge of the Sith, and then vanished from the GFFA.
They kept the revenge story, and she didn't so much as redeem herself as switch the target of her revenge to Dooku.
so it wouldn't be a stretch from her to offer herself to the Empire at the end of the war.
In either case, whether it was Ventress that's the new female inquisitor or Barriss, both will add some pretty emotional weight to Ashoka's story in Rebels.
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Yeah they twisted Ventress from what she was originally in the first clone war series, a complete rage machine. I like that they gave her depth, that she saw her Jedi protector and master slaughtered by pirates and she swore revenge against the galaxy as a whole.
In the original legends canon, she was redeemed in the end when she told Obi-wan to "defend Coruscant" just before the events in Revenge of the Sith, and then vanished from the GFFA.
They kept the revenge story, and she didn't so much as redeem herself as switch the target of her revenge to Dooku.
so it wouldn't be a stretch from her to offer herself to the Empire at the end of the war.
In either case, whether it was Ventress that's the new female inquisitor or Barriss, both will add some pretty emotional weight to Ashoka's story in Rebels.
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Totally agree!
Now to go to Netflix and re watch that final Ashoka arc!
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I think September, though the Siege of Lothal episode is considered I think to be espisodes 2.01 and 2.02.
But at least they debuted the new Star Wars Lego episode this week, which was kind of funny because they killed Jar Jar Binks off multiple times and basically removed him from the prequel trilogies.
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