Same sex marriage; A look at CP's gradual acceptance

[GP_Matt]

Should atheists be allowed to get married?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Well, here's the thing: Gay people aren't equal.

In fact, because everyone is different and unique, no one is equal.

So I wish people would stop expecting equality.

And I certainly wish people would stop asking for others to celebrate their differences and diversity, when at the same time demanding to be treated as equal as anyone else.

This is how people justify bigotry.

Well, here's the thing: Black people aren't equal.

In fact, because everyone is different and unique, no one is equal.

So I wish people would stop expecting equality.

And I certainly wish people would stop asking for others to celebrate their differences and diversity, when at the same time demanding to be treated as equal as anyone else.

When you read it like that it seems straight out of the mouth of a klansmen in Mississippi in the 1960s.

[calf]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Should atheists be allowed to get married?

I'm also wondering if the state should allow divorces, since marriage is actually one man + one woman forever.

Or for the people who say marriage is for reproduction...those who aren't able to, or never want to have children but want to be married...should they be allowed?

Alternatively, if people should even be allowed to be Hindu, or other religions that don't worship God, as that's also directly against what the bible allows.

For me, in the context of the OP, I was originally on the "civil union" bandwagon. But there were so many holes in the anti-gay marriage arguments, that I couldn't reconcile why marriage shouldn't be allowed, especially when we're looking purely at the legal/government recognized institution, and not the ceremony that occurs in the church (which I believe, if the church doesn't want to perform the ceremony based on their doctrine, that' is their right as well).

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Well, here's the thing: Gay people aren't equal.

In fact, because everyone is different and unique, no one is equal.

So I wish people would stop expecting equality.

And I certainly wish people would stop asking for others to celebrate their differences and diversity, when at the same time demanding to be treated as equal as anyone else.

Ah, so LifeIlliterate is what your name should be. Got it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

In the context of this discussion, perhaps only heterosexual adults have the right and freedom to marry, but only homosexual adults have the right and freedom to have a civil union.

Okay, so we've sorted out the sexes. How do we sort out the races now? Which races get Marriage and which ones get Civil Unions?

[Acey]

Originally Posted by calf

I'm also wondering if the state should allow divorces, since marriage is actually one man + one woman forever.

For what it's worth, we actually did have a little technicality with this here in Canada.

On September 13, 2004, a lesbian couple known as "M.M." and "J.H." in Ontario were granted Canada's first same-sex divorce. Their initial divorce application had been denied based on the fact that the federal Divorce Act defines spouse as "either of a man or a woman who are married to each other". However, Madam Justice Ruth Mesbur of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice ruled that the definition of "spouse" in the Divorce Act was unconstitutional.

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay, so we've sorted out the sexes. How do we sort out the races now? Which races get Marriage and which ones get Civil Unions?

I volunteer my race to take civil unions. The others can fight among themselves for marriage.

Union sounds cooler.

[pylon]

I am all for gay marriage myself, but this opens a very interesting debate in my eyes.

What if someone wants to Marry their best friend, same sex, but neither are gay? There are massive benefits to being married, especially with the amount of borrowing power you have. So two dudes are total best-bro's for life, and they don't want the inconvenience of a traditional marriage but still want the benefits. Why can they not have a classification of a civil union if they choose to go joint on everything? I have male friends I love and care about likely more than any woman that could come along in my life at this point, since they have been friends for 30+ years. The physical act of sex is not required under a marriage license, so can we get married as two straight men?

(This is hypothetical of course.... yes, hypothetical, that's it.)

[Acey]

I saw that hypothetical on Reddit and it sounded like a great idea. 2 straight roommates get married for the tax breaks et al, because you can't make people prove they're actually gay without stomping all over people's rights. Will that become a thing? Probably not.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am all for gay marriage myself, but this opens a very interesting debate in my eyes.

What if someone wants to Marry their best friend, same sex, but neither are gay? There are massive benefits to being married, especially with the amount of borrowing power you have. So two dudes are total best-bro's for life, and they don't want the inconvenience of a traditional marriage but still want the benefits. Why can they not have a classification of a civil union if they choose to go joint on everything? I have male friends I love and care about likely more than any woman that could come along in my life at this point, since they have been friends for 30+ years. The physical act of sex is not required under a marriage license, so can we get married as two straight men?

(This is hypothetical of course.... yes, hypothetical, that's it.)

First of all, where do you come up with this?

Second this is probably worth a separate discussion for the most part because it is interesting somewhat. I've known several couples who eventually got married because the benefits for them were far greater then if they were just two single people together. Straight couples for what it's worth. In an ever changing world it's a bit silly being married brings you benefits being single doesn't.

Third... well it's called same sex marriage, not gay marriage. If you're two bro-dudes want to get married then do it. I don't think anyone is going to be checking for butt sex evidence afterwards.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Acey

I saw that hypothetical on Reddit and it sounded like a great idea. 2 straight roommates get married for the tax breaks et al, because you can't make people prove they're actually gay without stomping all over people's rights. Will that become a thing? Probably not.

The point I am trying to make is, does this open up the possibility where a civil union where sexual preference isn't a condition is a possibility. Asexual's should have access to the benefits of marriage as well IMO.

[Nyah]

What exactly are the 'benefits of marriage'? Genuinely curious. I'm in a common-law relationship and I don't perceive myself having any benefits over my single friends.

[btimbit]

It's a interesting hypothetical, but how often does that happen between two friends of the opposite sex? I don't see it being any more likely when they're the same sex.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Acey

I saw that hypothetical on Reddit and it sounded like a great idea. 2 straight roommates get married for the tax breaks et al, because you can't make people prove they're actually gay without stomping all over people's rights. Will that become a thing? Probably not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Now_...huck_and_Larry

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pylon

The point I am trying to make is, does this open up the possibility where a civil union where sexual preference isn't a condition is a possibility. Asexual's should have access to the benefits of marriage as well IMO.

People who don't want to get married, straight gay asexual or otherwise, should have the same tax benefits as any married person, agreed. That's probably an entirely separate debate from this though.

There is nothing stopping two straight dudes or an asexual person from marrying someone right now however.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am all for gay marriage myself, but this opens a very interesting debate in my eyes.

What if someone wants to Marry their best friend, same sex, but neither are gay? There are massive benefits to being married, especially with the amount of borrowing power you have. So two dudes are total best-bro's for life, and they don't want the inconvenience of a traditional marriage but still want the benefits. Why can they not have a classification of a civil union if they choose to go joint on everything? I have male friends I love and care about likely more than any woman that could come along in my life at this point, since they have been friends for 30+ years. The physical act of sex is not required under a marriage license, so can we get married as two straight men?

(This is hypothetical of course.... yes, hypothetical, that's it.)

Originally Posted by Acey

I saw that hypothetical on Reddit and it sounded like a great idea. 2 straight roommates get married for the tax breaks et al, because you can't make people prove they're actually gay without stomping all over people's rights. Will that become a thing? Probably not.

I had a buddy that did something similar. He shared an apartment with two chicks, one was pretty hot (she had great thighs). The only draw back was his landlord, well the husband was old school and didn't like the idea of a guy living with two women. The wife was pretty cool, she seem into it. My buddy pretended to be gay, the landlord never really believed him, I mean it didn't help that a 3rd buddy of ours was always setting him up with dates and often my buddy would get caught up difficult to explain situations. The landlord was always questioning my buddy's sexuality, but he managed to pull it off for 7 years while he was in Law School.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Nyah

What exactly are the 'benefits of marriage'? Genuinely curious. I'm in a common-law relationship and I don't perceive myself having any benefits over my single friends.

There's a few financial/tax benefits you get through marriage. Nothing to do with the actual relationship, that's a whole other debate haha.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

First of all, where do you come up with this?

Again, it's just a hypothetical question. I personally believe if two people are close enough to from a lifelong partnership, share the bills, the mortgage, even adopt a child as a non intimate couple, what makes them any less worthy of being a parent, or two be granted the same legal benefits.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Nyah

What exactly are the 'benefits of marriage'? Genuinely curious. I'm in a common-law relationship and I don't perceive myself having any benefits over my single friends.

http://www.canadianliving.com/life/m...re_married.php

There are many ways the government helps those that are married vs ones that aren't. It's a genuinely silly thing is this modern world, but IMO doesn't have much to do with this debate.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I had a buddy that did something similar. He shared an apartment with two chicks, one was pretty hot (she had great thighs). The only draw back was his landlord, well the husband was old school and didn't like the idea of a guy living with two women. The wife was pretty cool, she seem into it. My buddy pretended to be gay, the landlord never really believed him, I mean it didn't help that a 3rd buddy of ours was always setting him up with dates and often my buddy would get caught up difficult to explain situations. The landlord was always questioning my buddy's sexuality, but he managed to pull it off for 7 years while he was in Law School.

You know Jack Tripper?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I had a buddy that did something similar. He shared an apartment with two chicks, one was pretty hot (she had great thighs). The only draw back was his landlord, well the husband was old school and didn't like the idea of a guy living with two women. The wife was pretty cool, she seem into it. My buddy pretended to be gay, the landlord never really believed him, I mean it didn't help that a 3rd buddy of ours was always setting him up with dates and often my buddy would get caught up difficult to explain situations. The landlord was always questioning my buddy's sexuality, but he managed to pull it off for 7 years while he was in Law School.

I saw you at the Regal Beagle.