2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[N-E-B]

I don't know about some of you, but a player of Kessel's caliber at $6M/year fits in with my teams culture extremely well.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't know about some of you, but a player of Kessel's caliber at $6M/year fits in with my teams culture extremely well.

I really don't think Kessel would waive to go to another Canadian city, even though we aren't as harsh as most.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really don't think Kessel would waive to go to another Canadian city, even though we aren't as harsh as most.

Not sure why people keep saying this when Kessel has Mtl on his trade list. If anything Mtl is just as big of a fish bowl at Tor.

[calgarybornnraised]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't know about some of you, but a player of Kessel's caliber at $6M/year fits in with my teams culture extremely well.

No No No. It is bad enough now with Gio and Hamilton. Now add Kessel then add Johnny and Monahan. The Flames don't need to a contract of that much for so long.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'd take Kessel @ $6 million I think, especially if Treliving performed another "skinning" in the process of acquiring him.

As usual, none of the young core are available.

Monahan
Bennett
Gaudreau
Brodie
Hamilton

Obviously Giordano wouldn't be dealt either.

I have a hard time seeing Treliving dealing a 1st round pick in back to back years though, especially not knowing exactly where this pick ends up in the draft order.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

A 6 million Kessel would be amazing on this team. Push it hard, maybe they eat 3 mill?

Poirier, 1st, Seiloff for Kessel, 2 mill retained. Would look really good with Mony and Johnny.

That's less than what Hamilton fetched, considering Sieloff likely has zero value at this point. If they retained $2m per, Kessel suddenly has a great contract and great value.

2016-1st+2016-2nd+Poirier+Gillies would be in the neighborhood methinks.

Not a great move unless you think the addition of Kessel will make it impossible to miss the playoffs (with 3 lottery picks, you can't gamble). As it stands right now (with Hamilton) I'd peg our chances at about 75%. With Kessel, we're probably nearly a lock. However, our PoHO was burned by playing the odds with Kessel before, you have to think he'd want to avoid history repeating itself. To be fair, even with Kessel in 2011, the Leafs were never likely to get in, but were even less likely to finish 29th.

It's a tough call, but I doubt BT is going to move the first next year after just dealing 15OA, and it would certainly need that included with any retention. Hamilton was our big player acquisition, I doubt we see a similar level of player brought in via trade for a year or two at least.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

2016-1st+2016-2nd+Poirier+Gillies would be in the neighborhood methinks.

Pass. I'd rather keep Poirier and let him develop into a top line RW, keep Gillies and let him develop into the starter he's destined to be, and keep the draft picks to keep the cupboards stocked with good talent coming into the system. Toronto can deal with their mistake and eat that contract long term. Flames should want no part of it when you consider the contracts Giordano, Hamilton, Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett are going to demand over the next three years.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't know about some of you, but a player of Kessel's caliber at $6M/year fits in with my teams culture extremely well.

I have to ask are you a Flames fan? Cause if you are nothing about Kessel fits in with the culture here. He would be a Hartley nightmare! Lets bring back Iggy too!

I admit, he has a great set of offensive tools. At 6 million a year he could be the addition outside of the core that pushes us to a cup.

Issue are he is not known for staying in shape. Players like this are done in the league by 31 32. Yet we would still have him for another 3 or 4 years.

Term is a killer with Kessel, cost to acquire big issue. Team Motto "Never Quit"? I don't see those words being used with Kessel.

[Cheerio]

After the Hamilton trade the Flames no longer have the assets to go after a big fish like Kessel. Toronto will wants a 1st+Prospect+Player, Treliving won't deal two firsts in a row, other teams will offer better prospects, and our good young roster players are untouchable. Kessel to Flames is just baseless speculation because Brian Burke is with the organization now. There is a 1% chance of him being traded to the Flames if not less

[ComixZone]

TheScore is also running with the same teams for Franson as per that report posted earlier.

The Nashville Predators defenseman has spoken with many teams in the days leading up to July 1, including the Calgary Flames, Toronto Maple Leafs, San Jose Sharks, Pittsburgh Penguins, and Dallas Stars, according to Pro Hockey Talk's Dhiren Mahiban.

I know it's just being greedy at this point, but signing Franson and moving Wideman out for additional assets would be another home run for Treliving. To add 5 inches to the blue line while getting 5 years younger AND acquiring additional assets? The Summer of Tree.

[Caged Great]

Why not have both for this season.

We have 12 or so mil after Hamilton and Bouma get signed give or take a mil.

Have

Gio-Brodie
Hamilton-Franson
Wideman-Russell
Engelland

For this season and look at moving Wideman next off season.

[PrettyBoyFlizzy]

We would allocate 3 million to the stands?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoyFlizzy

We would allocate 3 million to the stands?

Injuries happen, and Engelland would be the best #7 in the NHL. Yes, it would suck having his $ being tied up in a #7 but it's not a big deal. We can afford it and we can look to move him after this season as well if necessary.

Why not go for a Stanley Cup this year. What's the worst that can happen? we have to make some trades to move out some of our depth and replace them with the top end of our prospects in Stockton. I don't see that as being a problem.

[PrettyBoyFlizzy]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Injuries happen, and Engelland would be the best #7 in the NHL. Yes, it would suck having his $ being tied up in a #7 but it's not a big deal. We can afford it and we can look to move him after this season as well if necessary.

Why not go for a Stanley Cup this year. What's the worst that can happen? we have to make some trades to move out some of our depth and replace them with the top end of our prospects in Stockton. I don't see that as being a problem.

If we want to contend for the cup this season wouldn't that 3 million be better served with a day to day player and not a healthy scratch? Just thinks it's a complete waste. We need speed and size upfront the d is already top 5 in the NHL.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by New Era

Pass. I'd rather keep Poirier and let him develop into a top line RW, keep Gillies and let him develop into the starter he's destined to be, and keep the draft picks to keep the cupboards stocked with good talent coming into the system. Toronto can deal with their mistake and eat that contract long term. Flames should want no part of it when you consider the contracts Giordano, Hamilton, Monahan, Gaudreau and Bennett are going to demand over the next three years.

Me too, don't get me wrong. The cost would be too high, I was just trying to imagine from TOR's POV, what it would take @ $2m retained. I'm more than happy to just have Hamilton and develop our own Kessel.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoyFlizzy

If we want to contend for the cup this season wouldn't that 3 million be better served with a day to day player and not a healthy scratch? Just thinks it's a complete waste. We need speed and size upfront the d is already top 5 in the NHL.

True, it isn't ideal. I don't think anyone expected us to be a playoff team last year or have another #1 defenseman fall into our lap. That changes things and some things like Engelland or any of the other cap heavy players can't be moved easily, or it isn't necessary to do so. Ideally we would be able to re-direct the nearly 30 million dollars tied up in depth players into stars, but that can't be done right now. We will have 12 million in absolutely free cap space though that can be used to find upgrades today. Why not use it.

[MikeMc]

Wasn't Franson benched in Nash during the playoffs and run out of Toronto because of his defensive issues?

I get that he's younger but is he even an upgrade? Wideman played the best hockey of his career last year, I get "sell high" but assuming Franson will replace him seems to be a stretch.

[Ashasx]

Franson is a guy that has solid underlying numbers. Though I've never been a fan of his play.

I can only imagine he'll be overpaid on a long-term deal despite his terrible post-trade deadline performance.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

Wasn't Franson benched in Nash during the playoffs and run out of Toronto because of his defensive issues?

I get that he's younger but is he even an upgrade? Wideman played the best hockey of his career last year, I get "sell high" but assuming Franson will replace him seems to be a stretch.

Keep in mind Wideman was benched in Washington during the playoffs and was very nearly run out of Calgary because of his defensive issues. Things can change quickly. I see them as very similar players, myself. Difference being that Wideman only has two years left on his contract whereas Franson will command much more.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoyFlizzy

We would allocate 3 million to the stands?

While i'm not a fan of Franson, even without him, the flames will be allocating $3 million to the stands with Smid.