[News] With the 60th OA pick the Flames select D Oliver Kylington UPD: CHL rights to Brandon

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Not sure as the new one hasn't been published, but the previous one was $250k transfer fee for any contract taken.

Could the Flames afford something like this? I'd love for him to come over and play in the AHL. Might be exactly what he needs.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Could the Flames afford something like this? I'd love for him to come over and play in the AHL. Might be exactly what he needs.

It would give Huska the chance to teach him Flames' defensive systems.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

It would give Huska the chance to teach him Flames' defensive systems.

And five games later for Huska/Pascal to relegate him to the ECHL.

[Hackey]

If Loob says he needs to get out of Sweden because he's not getting a fair shake and thinks he should go to the AHL I think that must mean something. Not to mention over in Sweden they likely care about the team more so than his personal development. In the AHL the Flames would have a lot more say in his development and he would be much closer to the organization. Having him learn the system and play with guys who are actually getting called up could be a major incentive for him.

[Robo]

wait how could he play in the AHL isnt he too young?

[dammage79]

I think it says more about being in a stable environment when Loob said he needs to get out of Sweden. Said he played somewhere close to 9 teams since he was 12-13? Thats a lot even for 5-6 years of development. Loob said he really hasn't had a "Home" in Sweden playing around so much.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Robo

wait how could he play in the AHL isnt he too young?

Drafted players can play in the AHL if they've been drafted out of Europe or the NCAA IIRC. There's a CHL agreement for drafted kids saying if they do not make the NHL, they need to go back to their JR team.

[ricardodw]

NHL Central scouting had Kylington at #1 at mid season and #6 final of draftable euro-skaters.

Just noticed that Michael Spacek was #5 euro-skater on the final ranking after being ranked #4 at mid term.... He fell even further than Kylington to get drafted in the 4th round #108 by Winnipeg.

Something has gone way off with central scouting when the GMs on draft day do not pay any mind to it.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Robo

wait how could he play in the AHL isnt he too young?

I'm sure Sureloss or someone can give the specifics on eligibility but Boston had an 18 year old in the AHL last year.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

And five games later for Huska/Pascal to relegate him to the ECHL.

Agreed, if he's not good enough for SEL then he would get ripped apart in the AHL. Has he been drafted by a junior team? I would rather send him to CHL.

[sureLoss]

Only players drafted out of the CHL are subject to the no 18 or 19 year olds in the AHL rule.

If you are drafted out of Russia, USHL, NCAA, Europe, China, Japan, Iran etc you can go to the AHL as an 18 or 19 year old.

Kylington would be the only Flames 2015 draft prospect that can go to the AHL next season.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by saillias

Agreed, if he's not good enough for SEL then he would get ripped apart in the AHL. Has he been drafted by a junior team? I would rather send him to CHL.

You guys aren't listening to the info from Loob today. Like at all. Just completely ignoring it actually. To fit your narrative of how his development is going to go over people who run hockey and have actually had the player on their team.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What's the transfer agreement between the SHL and NHL? I'm curious as to what the buy out cost of his A.I.K contract would be.

AIK is in the Allsvenskan, not the SHL. No idea if that changes anything, but it might.

One year in the CHL and then transition to the AHL would be my guess here. The Flames have more than enough defensemen in the AHL that need ice time, so I don't think there's a need to throw Kylington into the AHL already ... I just saw that he just turned 18 in May, so a pretty young player in his draft class. I think a year in the CHL wouldn't hurt him, and unless I get something wrong here, he'd still be AHL eligible as a 19-year-old next year because he wasn't drafted out of the CHL (same rule that allowed Sieloff to turn pro a year early).

[jg13]

Mean hearing Loob talk about this guy is very exciting. Says he could be in the NHL in the next 2-3 years and will definitely play in the NHL, compares him to Karlsson

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by devo22

AIK is in the Allsvenskan, not the SHL. No idea if that changes anything, but it might.

One year in the CHL and then transition to the AHL would be my guess here. The Flames have more than enough defensemen in the AHL that need ice time, so I don't think there's a need to throw Kylington into the AHL already ... I just saw that he just turned 18 in May, so a pretty young player in his draft class. I think a year in the CHL wouldn't hurt him, and unless I get something wrong here, he'd still be AHL eligible as a 19-year-old next year because he wasn't drafted out of the CHL (same rule that allowed Sieloff to turn pro a year early).

Can't argue with the logic here at all really. We'll see but I do think Loob has it right in saying he needs to be over here in North America. The earlier he can adjust to NA ice the better IMO.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We'll see but I do think Loob has it right in saying he needs to be over here in North America. The earlier he can adjust to NA ice the better IMO.

absolutely, and I doubt a lot of people would argue against that. Just thinking that there isn't an AHL spot for him ... it's nice to hear that Loob thinks he's ready for that, but unless anyone of those unexpectedly makes the NHL team out of camp, the Heat will probably have Wotherspoon, Morrison, Nakladal, Culkin, Kulak, Sieloff and Kanzig on the blueline. That's 7 guys already, without ANY veterans at all (Nakladal hasn't played in NA yet, after all). CHL the better route here IMO.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by devo22

AIK is in the Allsvenskan, not the SHL. No idea if that changes anything, but it might.

One year in the CHL and then transition to the AHL would be my guess here. The Flames have more than enough defensemen in the AHL that need ice time, so I don't think there's a need to throw Kylington into the AHL already ... I just saw that he just turned 18 in May, so a pretty young player in his draft class. I think a year in the CHL wouldn't hurt him, and unless I get something wrong here, he'd still be AHL eligible as a 19-year-old next year because he wasn't drafted out of the CHL (same rule that allowed Sieloff to turn pro a year early).

Sutter brought Backlund over from the Allsvenskan where his development was at a dead stall a year and a half after he was drafted. He was a major force in the CHL with the Rockets (Benn, Myers and Backlund) going to the memorial cup.

[Hackey]

Ya exactly. CHL likely would be an easier transition for him which I think would be great. Just get him out of Sweden.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You guys aren't listening to the info from Loob today. Like at all. Just completely ignoring it actually. To fit your narrative of how his development is going to go over people who run hockey and have actually had the player on their team.

I don't have a narrative, I'm asking a rules question. Am I not allowed to prefer a prospect plays in the CHL?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Only players drafted out of the CHL are subject to the no 18 or 19 year olds in the AHL rule.

If you are drafted out of Russia, USHL, NCAA, Europe, China, Japan, Iran etc you can go to the AHL as an 18 or 19 year old.

Kylington would be the only Flames 2015 draft prospect that can go to the AHL next season.

What if he gets picked up in the CHL import draft tomorrow? Would we still be able to send him to the AHL because he was drafted out of Europe?