06-29-2015, 01:34 PM
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#101
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Yamer
I'm pretty confident there has to be more to this than a training issue. Very intrigued to find out how this plays out.
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Pure speculation on my part, but it would not surprise me at all if a bunch of lawyers went over that contract with a fine tooth comb, hired a PI to follow Richards around and busted him on the tiniest of''breaches''. I have no idea what that breach could even be or if that is what happened, but when millions of dollars are at stake companies will do whatever it takes to keep the business flowing.
Either way it's sketchy as hell, especially when you consider their cap problems and how the Voynov issue went down (suspension only and took months to figure out).
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06-29-2015, 01:35 PM
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#102
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Okotoks
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The Kings as an organization have been seriously publicly embarrassed by the conduct of their players twice this year. (I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of the Voinov allegations by calling them 'embarrassing', but you get what I mean). I would imagine that the organization as a whole is a total tinderbox. I would also imagine that after Stoll turned up in TMZ, there was some pretty substantial internal yelling and screaming. 'Zero Tolerance' and 'Unacceptable' and 'The next guy that so much as...' and things like that getting sent around in All Caps.
I'm not saying that justifies cancelling Richards contract, and I have no idea if they are in the right to do so. But I bet that recent history context has everything to do with this.
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06-29-2015, 01:35 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by thefoss1957
In shape? Out of shape? WAYYyyy too subjective, and impossible to validate...so, unless Richards was involved in a felony, I can't see LA getting away with this, unless they make the real reason available to the League and the NHLPA...
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At this point I'm pretty sure "we're the LA Kings and we don't want to deal with his contract anymore" is a good enough reason in the eyes of the NHL.
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06-29-2015, 01:36 PM
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#104
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Here is one thing though. Even if LA gets away with terminating the contract, they should still be on the hook for recapture penaltieis, as they benefited from a long term front loaded deal that lowered the cap hit for a player.
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06-29-2015, 01:36 PM
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#105
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
What the NHLPA should do is have literally every member find a provision of the SPC they can say the club hasn't perfectly lived up to and send a letter saying they are providing 30 days' notice of the termination of their contract. Literally the entire NHL is a UFA.
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Sorry for the conspiracy theorists discussing the players doing something like this, but the contract calls for the Employer (Kings) to pay for the services of the Employee (Richards) with guidelines laid out for what the employee is responsible to do. Just like any employee contract. If the employee doesn't meet all expectations for the minimum requirement in the contract (being in shape to perform the duties contracted) then the Employer can terminate the contract.
The team has done nothing to breach the contracted duties (pay the player to play hockey in the NHL), in their opinion the player has not done the minimum (being in shape). For what we know the meeting last summer laid out the minimums and Richards didn't do it, which caused the team to miss the buyout period.
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06-29-2015, 01:37 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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"This guy has done something so egregious and terrible that we will first try to give him to another team on unconditional waivers so he becomes their problem, and then failing that try to find a reason to void the contract"
- The LA Kings behind closed doors, probably.
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06-29-2015, 01:37 PM
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#107
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jan 2014
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So let's get this straight. For the past few months you try and trade the guy but when you can't you void the contract. Interesting strategy. Wonder how their potential trade partners now feel?
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06-29-2015, 01:38 PM
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#108
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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so is someone going to start a smear campaign against Richards now?
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06-29-2015, 01:38 PM
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#109
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Here is one thing though. Even if LA gets away with terminating the contract, they should still be on the hook for recapture penaltieis, as they benefited from a long term front loaded deal that lowered the cap hit for a player.
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Wouldn't that be on Philly since they're the ones who originally signed the contract?
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06-29-2015, 01:39 PM
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#110
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Franchise Player
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Post on HF summarizes my anger eloquently:
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LA won a cup in part thanks to the benefits of Richards retirement contract. If they now, when the negatives of that contract come into play, get off scott free, than the whole competition has become a sham.
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06-29-2015, 01:39 PM
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#111
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Lifetime Suspension
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I don't really see why him neglecting to stay in physical shape as promised has everyone so up in arms about this. He is a professional athlete, and he was signed to an agreement when he was in a certain physical condition. For him to just throw that out the window, binge drink, and live on a McDonalds diet if that is in fact the reasoning.... well he devalued himself, and cheated the team.
If you were a firefighter, and balloned up to 400 pounds, couldn't walk a flight of stairs, were doing coke on your days off....well, you'd be terminated as you are incapable of performing your expecting duties. How is this really any different?
If I ever declared bankruptcy, I would be terminated with cause from my job, because it is in my employment agreement to manage and maintain a credit score in good standing, and not have any legal judgements, bankruptcies, or consumer proposals on file.
If he made a promise to keep in reasonable shape as would be expected of an elite professional athlete, as a condition of his contract/employment, and failed to maintain that condition, he should be held responsible, just like a dead beat who flakes out on a loan, or the fireman that can't do his job.
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06-29-2015, 01:40 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by codynw
Wouldn't that be on Philly since they're the ones who originally signed the contract?
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Traded before new CBA. Penalties should be all Kings.
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06-29-2015, 01:42 PM
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#113
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
It wouldn't surprise me if it were something related to substance abuse, with documented warnings. Dean Lombardi can't be that stupid to risk a lawsuite, nor do I think he was stupid enough not to use the compliance buyout last year if he didn't have a contingency plan.
My guess is they have a legit case
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This 'training' issue with Richards has been going on throughout his entire career. Every team has had problems with his 'training'. With the amount of supervision teams give players these days, I wouldn't be surprised if they have built a strong case and are using it as a way to opt out of the contract. Sounds a bit cruel, but the writing has been on the wall for quite some time now.
I think it will get messy and that Richards PR team will be on full tilt soon.
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06-29-2015, 01:42 PM
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#114
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#1 Goaltender
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Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Forget the Paragraph 14 stuff of the SPC I tweeted earlier. May not be relevant here. Complex process.
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06-29-2015, 01:42 PM
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#115
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Neither here nor there
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poe969
so is someone going to start a smear campaign against Richards now?
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If only this was in Boston. Can you imagine?
Special report: Mike Richards kicked puppies and his teammates say he was a big meanie. - The Boston Globe
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06-29-2015, 01:45 PM
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#116
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#1 Goaltender
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David Panotta @thefourthperiod
Kings took information they received on Richards on Friday and moved forward on it. They are very confident in their findings.
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06-29-2015, 01:46 PM
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#117
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Muffins
If only this was in Boston. Can you imagine?
Special report: Mike Richards kicked puppies and his teammates say he was a big meanie. - The Boston Globe
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BREAKING: Mike Richards puts ketchup on hot dogs.
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06-29-2015, 01:47 PM
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#118
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by united
David Panotta @thefourthperiod
Kings took information they received on Richards on Friday and moved forward on it. They are very confident in their findings.
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How convenient
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06-29-2015, 01:48 PM
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#119
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Helene Elliott @helenenothelen
NHLPA on Kings' termination of Mike Richards contract: 'We are in the process of reviewing the facts and circumstances of this matter
Helene Elliott @helenenothelen
and will discuss the situation with the player in order to determine the appropriate course of action."--end of NHLPA statement.
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06-29-2015, 01:48 PM
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#120
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Lethbridge
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If there is some sort of heinous behaviour that is the "real reason", why has there not been an arrest or any charges?
It all feels too convenient, the Kings are in cap trouble and don't want to pay him. They played fast and loose with the Voynov situation, and now this.
If the issue is fitness, what message does this send to his teammates or to free agents? I'd think it has to have a chilling effect.
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