Rank The D Prospects

[Roof-Daddy]

I know Bingo has said he's going to be another prospect ranking poll this summer, and I'm looking forward to it.

But, a boring Sunday and fresh off the draft I thought we could discuss/rank the D prospect pool.

15 of them by my count, here is my order based on upside:


1. (18) Oliver Kylington
2. (19) Brandon Hickey
3. (18) Rasmus Andersson
4. (23) Kenney Morrison
5. (21) Ryan Culkin
6. (20) Rushan Rafikov
7. (21) Brett Kulak
8. (22) Tyler Wotherspoon
9. (21) Patrick Sieloff
10. (19) Adam Ollas-Mattsson
11. (22) John Gilmour
12. (24) John Ramage
13. (20) Keegan Kanzig
14. (24) Sena Acolatse
15. (18) Riley Bruce

[Da_Chief]

I was hoping someone would start this. After this is beaten to death, we need to do forwards too.

Mine:

1) Brandon Hickey
2) Oliver Kylington
3) Kenny Morrison
4) Rasmus Andersson
5) Tyler Wotherspoon
6) Rushan Rafikov
7) Ryan Culkin
8) Brett Kulak
9) Adam Olles-Matsson
10) Sena Acolatse
11) Pat Seiloff
12) Keenan Kanzig
13) John Ramage
14) John Gilmour
15) Riley Bruce

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Tier 1
1. Brandon Hickey

Tier 2
2. Oliver Kylington
3. Rasmus Andersson

Tier 3
4. Tyler Wotherspoon
5. Ryan Culkin
6. Kenney Morrison

The rest are all a bunch of lotto tickets with a 5% chance (or less) of being anything more than depth/AHL players IMO

[FBI]

Should we put nakladal in there?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FBI

Should we put nakladal in there?

Thought about it, but he's 27 so I left him out of mine.

For me, 24 is the cut off.

[jg13]

1) Brandon Hickey
2) Oliver Kylington
3) Rasmus Andersson
4) Tyler Wotherspoon
5) Kenney Morrison
6) Rushan Rafikov
7) Ryan Culkin
8) Pat Sieloff
9) Brett Kulak
10) Sena Acolatse
11) Keenan Kanzig
12) Adam Olles-Matsson
13) John Gilmour
14) John Ramage
15) Riley Bruce

[JiriHrdina]

1. Hickey
2. Andersson
3. Wotherspoon
4. Kylington
5. (23) Kenney Morrison
6. (21) Ryan Culkin
7. Sieloff
8. (20) Rushan Rafikov
9. (21) Brett Kulak
10. (24) John Ramage
11. (19) Adam Ollas-Mattsson
12. (22) John Gilmour
13. (20) Keegan Kanzig
14. (24) Sena Acolatse
15. (18) Riley Bruce

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I know Bingo has said he's going to be another prospect ranking poll this summer, and I'm looking forward to it.

But, a boring Sunday and fresh off the draft I thought we could discuss/rank the D prospect pool.

15 of them by my count, here is my order based on upside:


1. (18) Oliver Kylington
2. (19) Brandon Hickey
3. (18) Rasmus Andersson
4. (23) Kenney Morrison
5. (21) Ryan Culkin
6. (20) Rushan Rafikov
7. (21) Brett Kulak
8. (22) Tyler Wotherspoon
9. (21) Patrick Sieloff
10. (19) Adam Ollas-Mattsson
11. (22) John Gilmour
12. (24) John Ramage
13. (20) Keegan Kanzig
14. (24) Sena Acolatse
15. (18) Riley Bruce

I know people are down on Wotherspoon, but a development line is rarely smooth. I can't see the justification for putting him, a guy that has actually played at the NHL level, below someone like Kulak who spent the bulk of the year in the ECHL.

[killer_carlson]

I'm basing mine on who is most likely to see NHL time next year, or the year after.

Morrison
Wotherspoon
Ramage
Seiloff

Gilmour
Culkin
Kanzig

Hickey

Andersson
Kylington
Mattsson

[JurassicTunga12]

1. Brandon Hickey
2. Oliver Kylington
3. Tyler Wotherspoon
4. Rasmus Andersson
5. Kenney Morrison
6. Ryan Culkin
7. Rushan Rafikov
8. Brett Kulak
9. Adam Ollas Mattsson
10. Patrick Sieloff
11. John Ramage
12. John Gilmour
13. Keegan Kanzig
14. Sena Acolatse
15. Riley Bruce

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I know people are down on Wotherspoon, but a development line is rarely smooth. I can't see the justification for putting him, a guy that has actually played at the NHL level, below someone like Kulak who spent the bulk of the year in the ECHL.

I can see that point of view for sure.

I ranked my Dmen based on what I feel their NHL upside is if they hit it.

While Wotherspoon is probably more likely to be an NHLer at this point, I think that based on Kulak's skating, shot and offensive capabilities he has more upside in the NHL if they were to both make it.

[dammage79]

1. Kylington by a mile. I'll even be so bold as to put him as the teams best over all prospect (not including Bennett)


2. Wotherspoon
3. Hickey
4a. Andersson
4b. Morrisson
6. Rafikov
7. Culkin
8. Kulak
9. Kanzig
10. Mattsson (ranked lower because I don't anyone has seen anything of him yet. we'll find out this prospect camp)
11. Seiloff
12. Ramage
13. Gilmour
14. Bruce

Acolaste I don't think will be back.

[N-E-B]

1. Kylington
2. Hickey
3. Andersson
4. Morrison
5. Wotherspoon
6. Rafikov
7. Culkin
8. Seiloff
9. Kulak
10. Ollas-Mattsson
11. Kanzig
12. Gilmour
13. Ramage
14. Bruce
15. Acolaste

[Gaskal]

1.) Kylington
2.) Hickey
3.) Andersson
4.) Morrison
5.) Rafikov
6.) Wotherspoon
7.) Culkin
8.) Kulak
9.) Sieloff
10.) Ollas Mattson
11.) Kanzig
12.) Gilmour
13.) Acolatse
14.) Ramage
15.) Bruce

[mile]

1) Brandon Hickey
2) Rasmus Andersson
3) Oliver Kylington
4) Tyler Wotherspoon
5) Kenney Morrison
6) Ryan Culkin
7) Brett Kulak
8) Rushan Rafikov
9) Pat Sieloff
10) Adam Ollas-Mattsson
11) John Gilmour
12) John Ramage
13) Keenan Kanzig
14) Sena Acolatse
15) Riley Bruce

[ricardodw]

wow... there are a lot of guys here that are basically calling Trevling and the Flames management stupid in talent evaluation.

They picked Andersen at pick #53 and passed on Kylington.... full stop. Then 6 other teams passed on Kylington... 2 that picked d-men.

But based on some Central scouting report done 6 months ago that had Kylington highly rated they figure OMG we got a 1st rounder. They just choose to ignore the reports that in some games Kylington was awful... a game changer ... in a bad way.


There can be some arguments made in the abstract about Wotherspoon or Seiloff or Hickey being better or worse because of numerous variables. But in this clear cut case of talent evaluation taking 2 days ago .. the best hockey minds that the Flames can muster made a clear choice that Andersen was better than Kylington.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

wow... there are a lot of guys here that are basically calling Trevling and the Flames management stupid in talent evaluation.

They picked Andersen at pick #53 and passed on Kylington.... full stop. Then 6 other teams passed on Kylington... 2 that picked d-men.

But based on some Central scouting report done 6 months ago that had Kylington highly rated they figure OMG we got a 1st rounder. They just choose to ignore the reports that in some games Kylington was awful... a game changer ... in a bad way.


There can be some arguments made in the abstract about Wotherspoon or Seiloff or Hickey being better or worse because of numerous variables. But in this clear cut case of talent evaluation taking 2 days ago .. the best hockey minds that the Flames can muster made a clear choice that Andersen was better than Kylington.

Are we not allowed to have our own opinions? Some people may and I think are basing their lists on who has the highest ceiling.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

wow... there are a lot of guys here that are basically calling Trevling and the Flames management stupid in talent evaluation.

They picked Andersen at pick #53 and passed on Kylington.... full stop. Then 6 other teams passed on Kylington... 2 that picked d-men.

But based on some Central scouting report done 6 months ago that had Kylington highly rated they figure OMG we got a 1st rounder. They just choose to ignore the reports that in some games Kylington was awful... a game changer ... in a bad way.


There can be some arguments made in the abstract about Wotherspoon or Seiloff or Hickey being better or worse because of numerous variables. But in this clear cut case of talent evaluation taking 2 days ago .. the best hockey minds that the Flames can muster made a clear choice that Andersen was better than Kylington.

Yeah, I mean how DARE we have or own thoughts? How dare we!
Is there a better skating player on this list than Kylington? Flat out, no.
Does he need to develop just like the others on this list? hell yes.
Does he have the highest upside of any player on this list? By a country mile.

EDIT: There's a reason he was considered a top 5 talent a year ago. One sidetracked injury plagued season doesn't ruin a players career.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

wow... there are a lot of guys here that are basically calling Trevling and the Flames management stupid in talent evaluation.

They picked Andersen at pick #53 and passed on Kylington.... full stop. Then 6 other teams passed on Kylington... 2 that picked d-men.

But based on some Central scouting report done 6 months ago that had Kylington highly rated they figure OMG we got a 1st rounder. They just choose to ignore the reports that in some games Kylington was awful... a game changer ... in a bad way.


There can be some arguments made in the abstract about Wotherspoon or Seiloff or Hickey being better or worse because of numerous variables. But in this clear cut case of talent evaluation taking 2 days ago .. the best hockey minds that the Flames can muster made a clear choice that Andersen was better than Kylington.

Or they just happen to like Klyington more...? full stop.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

1. Brandon Hickey
2. Oliver Kylington
3. Tyler Wotherspoon
4. Rasmus Andersson
5. Kenney Morrison
6. Ryan Culkin
7. Rushan Rafikov
8. Brett Kulak
9. Adam Ollas Mattsson
10. Patrick Sieloff
11. John Ramage
12. John Gilmour
13. Keegan Kanzig
14. Sena Acolatse
15. Riley Bruce

This all day long.

In response to one of Ricardo's dumber posts.

Maybe some people are smarter than you give them credit for?

Lots of people (smart people who have watched him agree) with the sentiment that he's a steal there.