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Old 06-28-2015, 02:05 PM   #21
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Does this work like The Price Is Right, closest bid without going over?

6 years, 6.2499 million per year.

I think you screwed that up. 6.2499M would give you the closer number for anything below 6.250M but you'd be over.
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$50 million - 8 yrs @ $6.25 AAV
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:08 PM   #23
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I think Treliving continues to wow us.

8 years, 6M.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:11 PM   #24
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Which still doesn't mean he's going to negotiate Hamilton's contract, or veto Treliving's proposal automatically if it's over a magic number of years.
Of course he won't negotiate the contract.

But would you go out and do something you know your boss won't like, or might reject?

I would think that 5 years would have been ok, but then Dougie would be UFA at 27.

I stand by my prediction. 3yrs. 4 at the most. But nobody ever accused me of being smart.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:12 PM   #25
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5 years / 5.9M AAV
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:14 PM   #26
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Of course he won't negotiate the contract.

But would you go out and do something you know your boss won't like, or might reject?
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If I thought it would work and I could convince him, yes of course.
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No. BURKE is president. The guy who approves budget, contracts and sets team direction.

Actually a board sets strategic direction and approves budgets.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:17 PM   #28
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:20 PM   #29
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Actually, I think i've come up with something that is extremely close to circumventing the cap, but will work under the CBA.

Let's assume Hamilton wants long term @5.5 per. Let's also assume that we don't want to give him that because it mucks up our cap management going forward. We don't mind paying the number, but it's more of a cap management issue.

Hamilton is an RFA.

We do 2 contracts with him.

1st contract: 1 year, for the 2015/16 season. $9,million.
2nd contract: An extension to the first contract. We are allowed to sign an extension as of July 1st. The extension is a 5 year extension at an annual value of $4,250,000 per year, but it won't kick in until the 2016/17 season.

Hamilton then gets to put approximately $30,000,000 in his jeans over the next 6 years.
We have a huge contract for next season, but then longer term we have him at a much more manageable contract number for 5 years after that.


Win win. And I think it would be permitted by the CBA as well.
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I think it will either be 2-3 years long or 6-7. They won't sign for 4 or 5 because that won't really buy any/enough UFA time and he will be a UFA right after.

If it's 2-3 years, I would expect an AAV of $5m-$5.5m

If it's 6-7 years, I would expect an AAV of $6m-$7m

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We do 2 contracts with him.

1st contract: 1 year, for the 2015/16 season. $9,million.
2nd contract: An extension to the first contract. We are allowed to sign an extension as of July 1st. The extension is a 5 year extension at an annual value of $4,250,000 per year, but it won't kick in until the 2016/17 season.
Can't sign an extension until January in the event we only sign him to a one year deal. Also, if we sign him to a 1 year $9m deal, his QO next year is $9m so he'd be dumb to accept anything less baring a catastrophic 15/16 season. Like the idea but the league has done a pretty good job tightening those loop holes from the last CBA.
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From what I have been able to understand, the reason Boston traded Hamilton to begin with is that they couldn't get a long term commitment from DH. That could be problematic if he feels the same way regardless of who is trying to sign him. If it was only the Bruins he didn't want to sign long term with...then fine.

So if true there are 2 options for his deal I can see..

3 years or 7 years. Nothing else makes sense.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:29 PM   #33
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Actually, I think i've come up with something that is extremely close to circumventing the cap, but will work under the CBA.

Let's assume Hamilton wants long term @5.5 per. Let's also assume that we don't want to give him that because it mucks up our cap management going forward. We don't mind paying the number, but it's more of a cap management issue.

Hamilton is an RFA.

We do 2 contracts with him.

1st contract: 1 year, for the 2015/16 season. $9,million.
2nd contract: An extension to the first contract. We are allowed to sign an extension as of July 1st. The extension is a 5 year extension at an annual value of $4,250,000 per year, but it won't kick in until the 2016/17 season.

Hamilton then gets to put approximately $30,000,000 in his jeans over the next 6 years.
We have a huge contract for next season, but then longer term we have him at a much more manageable contract number for 5 years after that.


Win win. And I think it would be permitted by the CBA as well.
That 1st contract worth 9M would dictate that we would have to qualify Hamilton at something worth 9+M, and if we didn't he would have the ability to go to free agency at the age of 23. Also, with RFAs, you can't extend them until the January prior to the expiration of his contract (whereas with pending UFAs, it's the July prior to the expiration of his contract)

Yeah, no.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:32 PM   #34
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Just a reminder: Because Hamilton wasn't on the Flames at the trade deadline, the longest term contract allowed by the CBA is 7 years.
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From what I have been able to understand, the reason Boston traded Hamilton to begin with is that they couldn't get a long term commitment from DH. That could be problematic if he feels the same way regardless of who is trying to sign him. If it was only the Bruins he didn't want to sign long term with...then fine.

So if true there are 2 options for his deal I can see..

3 years or 7 years. Nothing else makes sense.
I read that he wanted a long term deal but the Bruins wanted a short term, cheap bridge contract that fit into their 'salary structure'. I think BT will have no problem getting him to sign for 6 or 7 years if they can make the dollars work. Too bad we can't get him for 8 years, I would definitely settle for 6 or 7 though (I believe 7 would officially be the longest contract in club history).
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:37 PM   #36
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So does Hamilton have to be qualified by tomorrow? Can pretty much be signed whenever after that?
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I think you screwed that up. 6.2499M would give you the closer number for anything below 6.250M but you'd be over.
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Old 06-28-2015, 02:40 PM   #38
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I see 3 yrs 5.5 or 7 yrs around 6.5.

3 yrs would be real nice as it allows us to overpay short term on Gio before Hamilton Brodie need to be re-upped as a to pairing.
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I somehow think this is coming in close to 7.
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So does Hamilton have to be qualified by tomorrow? Can pretty much be signed whenever after that?
Yes, all pending RFAs have to receive Qualifying Offers by tomorrow. It's not really an issue since his QO is significantly less than what he'll actually sign for.
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