[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[getbak]

Hamilton is less than 2 months older than Gaudreau. It's easy to forget that because he's been in the league for so long.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I'd like the 23 people who voted for the bottom two options to explain themselves. I can see arguments for each of the top 4 options but 5 & 6 are just so far out there to the point of jealously/trolling. Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just legitimately curious to hear the rationale behind picking those two choices.

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by getbak

Hamilton is less than 2 months older than Gaudreau. It's easy to forget that because he's been in the league for so long.

I believe this was said earlier but our college free agent d prospect Kenny Morrison who the majority of fans are quite happy with is actually a year older than Hamilton

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'd like the 23 people who voted for the bottom two options to explain themselves. I can see arguments for each of the top 4 options but 5 & 6 are just so far out there to the point of jealously/trolling. Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just legitimately curious to hear the rationale behind picking those two choices.

I was wondering what's up myself. Especially would love to hear thefoss' thoughts on this as I consider him to be quite a knowledgeable hockey fan.

[Sylvanfan]

For me it's the scars of Phaneuf and Bouwmeester and fear of optimism. It seems to good to be true, so I fear that it is.

Thus far Hamilton has had durability issues and is potentially asking for a pretty hefty sum.

Don't get me wrong he has huge upside and his age is exactly what the Flames should be after. If Hamilton does turn out who isn't excited about a core of Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennet, Brodie, and Hamilton. If Gillies also sticks...that's a nicely balanced 19-24 group of players. I would have made the deal myself....I tend to be wrong on stuff like this.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'd like the 23 people who voted for the bottom two options to explain themselves. I can see arguments for each of the top 4 options but 5 & 6 are just so far out there to the point of jealously/trolling. Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just legitimately curious to hear the rationale behind picking those two choices.

I think anyone seriously voting for the bottom two are likely people who spent the last year focused on the deep draft this year and the potential for a franchise player coming out of the first two rounds, especially with four picks up there. I'm sure those people would value those picks over even a much higher return, simply because of the value they place on draft picks.

Of course, there's the opposite perspective hidden in the first option or two (NHL players grow on trees, and draft picks aren't real players therefore they're worth less than the players they turn into).

Anyways, those are the two extremes I always see when there is a roster player for draft trade.

[Mith]

I just ran in to a friend of Dougie Hamilton's down in the beamsville wineries area in Ontario while I was out.

She met up with him last night and said that he was really excited about the trade, that he specifically wanted to be back in Canada and he loves Calgary as a team.


I love this trade =)

[Rick M.]

For me, Hamilton has a large enough body of work to convince me he's the real deal. That, plus the length of time it takes to develop a good defenceman, makes me believe the trade is brilliant.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

For me it's the scars of Phaneuf and Bouwmeester and fear of optimism. It seems to good to be true, so I fear that it is.

Thus far Hamilton has had durability issues and is potentially asking for a pretty hefty sum.

Don't get me wrong he has huge upside and his age is exactly what the Flames should be after. If Hamilton does turn out who isn't excited about a core of Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennet, Brodie, and Hamilton. If Gillies also sticks...that's a nicely balanced 19-24 group of players. I would have made the deal myself....I tend to be wrong on stuff like this.

This is a really good answer to Fire of the Phoenix's question.

I think you're being overly pessimistic, but I get it. Thanks for writing this out.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I still get night terrors thinking of the way Brent used Bouwmeester. I don't have a lot of love for Jay but the one thing he excelled at was sneaking high into the slot for a good scoring attempt. He was so good at getting there and being open for a quick one-timer and Brent didn't allow him to do that. Totally neutered his game changing skating game.

Anchoring him with Butler was such a mess too.

Our defence under Hartley this season was a revelation. He knew exactly how to use Giordano, Brodie, Wideman and Russell.

Bouwmeester is even worse offensively under Hitch. He might just suck offensively.

[devo22]

one thing that I absolutely love about this is that the Flames can now watch unrestricted free agency and be relaxed about it when it comes to defensemen. I fully expected Calgary to try to overpay somebody like Mike Green or Cody Franson on July 1st, but now, when all is said and done, Treliving will probably re-sign our new 22 year old stud defenseman to a long-term deal similar to the one of those players.

I still can't believe we'll have Hamilton and Brodie for many years going forward. Feels unreal.

[JurassicTunga12]

Yeah, and our D-core is looking great going forward especially if Kylington can reach his potential or comes close:

Brodie - Hamilton
Giordano - Kylington
Wotherspoon - Andersson

Not to mention guys like:
Morrison, Hickey, Ollas Mattsson, Kulak, Culkin, Sieloff, Kanzig, Rafikov, Ramage.

[btimbit]

Still can't believe this is real, and not something I pulled off on the playstation.

3 top pairing dmen.... Nicceeeee

If someone can nudge Engelland to 7th dman then this D-corp is just unreal. And between Wotherspoon, Morrison, Ollas-Mattsson, Naklidal, Kulak, Culkin, Kylington and Andersson I think one or two of those can make the NHL. Our D could easily be top 3 in the league in a year or 2.

Just think it wasn't that long ago Butler and SOB were on this team

[dying4acup]

The addition of Hamilton, and today's 2nd round additions, truly changes the optics of the Flames defensive prospect depth.

Suddenly we aren't looking for a prospect to develop into a top pair d-man. All we need is for one out of every 3 or 4 defensemen to turn into an NHLer. That's not an unrealistic hope.

[Imported_Aussie]

3-4 years time this team could have Giordano down on the 3rd pairing, due to these guys being key pieces ahead of him:
Brodie
Hamilton
Hickey
Kylington

and then guys like Andersson, Morrison, Culkin, Rafikov, etc potentially fighting for the last couple of spaces in the lineup.

With Hamilton here and drafting a couple of high upside D, maybe that means Giordano only gets a 3-4 year deal now - manage that transition from him as #1 next year, #3 in 3 years, #5 in 4-5 years

[N-E-B]

Yesterday Tyler Wotherspoon (with all due respect) was our best defense prospect.

We now have Dougie Hamilton, Oliver Kylington, and Rasmus Andersson.

Excellent weekend for Brad Treliving.

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Yesterday Tyler Wotherspoon (with all due respect) was our best defense prospect.

We now have Dougie Hamilton, Oliver Kylington, and Rasmus Andersson.

Excellent weekend for Brad Treliving.

Dont forget Morrison!

[sureLoss]

At least anyone who picked up a Baertschi 27 jersey only has to get the namebar changed

[_Q_]

The playoffs taught me a couple of things.
1) Wideman can play top pairing minutes without looking out of place.
2) Engelland thrives when given more minutes and a decent partner.

Because of these, I would do something like this next season.

Giordano - Wideman
Brodie - Hamilton
Russell - Engelland

Spread the minutes out to all three pairings and also allow Brodie and Hamilton to develop chemistry so they they can become your top pairing for the next decade.

[UnitedFlames]

Originally Posted by devo22

I still can't wrap my head around what happened yesterday. Treliving really managed to get a 22 year old stud defenseman without giving up roster players and blue chip prospects ... how is that even possible? It defies any logic and I still have to pinch myself.

Plus, Hamilton really checks all the boxes. If you laid out the criteria for the "missing" defenseman on the Flames blueline, you'd get Dougie Hamilton. Adding him to the already fantastic D corps just feels unreal. A blueline of Giordano-Hamilton, Brodie-Wideman and Russell-Engelland ... wow. Lots of balance (even L-R!) and options for Bob to spread out the minutes.

In all of this, I still don't get what Sweeney was trying to do. Even if we ignore the obviously flawed process (better pick offers etc), I don't understand the idea of trading him in the first place. Re-signing Hamilton had to be their offseason priority, period. I don't buy the cash-strapped argument - you can go over the cap during the offseason, no problem. And if you need to make cap room to get it done, you ship out a couple of the older players ... you know, like Milan Lucic. Trading him after trading Hamilton made even less sense because that trade would have helped re-sign Hamilton. It's a head scratcher, really. What are they doing? Is this a rebuild? Can you call it a rebuild when you trade your 22 year old stud defenseman?

Yesterday, the stars aligned for the Flames and the hockey gods wore Flames jerseys. I have no other explanation.

Growing up, I followed the Bruins but stopped watching them and hockey all together in the '90s due to frustration and demoralization brought upon by their ownership/management. I was always convinced that the Bruins existed only to be a losing venture for Jacobs and Delaware North... never to make money.

Someone on the HF Bruins forum reiterated this perfectly today:

"I see a pattern emerging but I don't like to admit it. The pattern reminds me of the Sinden/MOC days of the late 90's where they absolutely detested when players had the leverage to ask for more than they wanted to give. The Dougie situation feels quite similar to the days when Jason Allison was shipped out for asking to be paid market value. I have a feeling over the next few years any time there's a tough contract negotiation the Bruins will end up moving on rather than let the player "win".

Under Sinden and MOC it felt like the Bruins had a contentious relationship with all their top players. Chia worked really hard to make players feel welcome here, but it seems like that's all over now. The old guard is back and they're not going to let the players dictate their finances."