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sureLoss · 06-26-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

I agree with everything in this post but why can't they go with a year of Hiller/Ortio and see how Ortio does?

Because who knows who is available next year? If you like the goaltender that is available now and have the assets to do it, now might be your only chance.

Vulcan · 06-26-2015, 10:43 AM

The goalie situation for next season has been a puzzle for me. Hiller is a 1-a goalie not a #1. It worked okay with Ramo as our 1-b goalie but it won't work next season with Ortio taking a spot as the #2. What we need is a #1 goalie. Not sure if Talbot is it but I can see the reasoning.

sa226 · 06-26-2015, 10:43 AM

I'm in agreement with the thought that Goaltending last year was average. Yes Hiller stole some games, yes Ramo was great in some as well.

Trying to remember trends from a full 82 schedule is somewhat difficult, but how many of those exciting comebacks and storybook endings were a result of poor goaltending? Hiller had a tendency to give up a bad goal at a bad time. Obviously team play is a huge factor, but in many cases the goaltending didn't necessarily help. Where would the Flames have been in the standings with a bit better goaltending?

I see the pursuit of a goalie as 70% for now and 30% for the future. This is still a rebuild, and that should be the focus. Management has also said that the goal is still to make the payoffs. They want to be competitive. But also if you believe that Ortio can be your #1 guy, you can't just throw him to the wolves. He is close, but he's not ready yet. You have to protect Ortio as well.

I understand the interest, but if Treliving packages 2 second rounders in a draft like this for a maybe kind of good goalie....somebody gonna geta hurt real bad.

Coach · 06-26-2015, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

The goalie situation for next season has been a puzzle for me. Hiller is a 1-a goalie not a #1. It worked okay with Ramo as our 1-b goalie but it won't work next season with Ortio taking a spot as the #2. What we need is a #1 goalie. Not sure if Talbot is it but I can see the reasoning.

Why not?

He has had limited time, but in that time I personally thought he looked a decent level better than both Hiller and Ramo. There's a pretty good possibility that Ortio could be a very good starter.

Finger Cookin · 06-26-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagger

We don't really need to evaluate them though. If we're a good team defensively, unless the netminder is of below average talent, we're going to get good production out of the position. My gripe is that we don't need to spend valuable assets on the position, especially if it's to acquire someone who was a replacement level goaltender at best for his entire career. Players of his ilk routinely go for far cheaper prices.

I'm just suggesting that Treliving may not agree with you and may want some flexibility to assess his goaltenders over the next few seasons.

SuperMatt18 · 06-26-2015, 10:49 AM

Oilers make little sense to me here.

They need to figure out how to fix their d and goalie yet seem hesitant to pull the trigger.

Even if they draft a goalie or d-man they are at least 3 years from making an impact.

They should be the ones really aggressive to add a top 4 d-man, and a good goalie because they need to improve, and need to win on McDavid's (and Nurse's) ELC because if they don't the cap situation is going to bury their ability to build depth after all these top picks want $6-8 million per year.

GreenLantern · 06-26-2015, 10:51 AM

If the Flames are in a bidding war with Edmonton for Talbot, please bow out. Drive up the price first, but bow out..

dammage79 · 06-26-2015, 10:52 AM

2nd and 3rd for Lack doesn't seem so bad now.

JurassicTunga12 · 06-26-2015, 10:53 AM

I'll be sad if we trade anything more than a 2nd for Talbot, even then I kinda don't want to do that deal.

Ashasx · 06-26-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

2nd and 3rd for Lack doesn't seem so bad now.

Both still seem pretty bad.

heep223 · 06-26-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sa226

I'm in agreement with the thought that Goaltending last year was average. Yes Hiller stole some games, yes Ramo was great in some as well.

Trying to remember trends from a full 82 schedule is somewhat difficult, but how many of those exciting comebacks and storybook endings were a result of poor goaltending? Hiller had a tendency to give up a bad goal at a bad time. Obviously team play is a huge factor, but in many cases the goaltending didn't necessarily help. Where would the Flames have been in the standings with a bit better goaltending?

The first 10-15 games last year Hiller was a beast and Ramo was good, if I remember correctly and that gave the team the confidence they desperately needed. Remember that Chicago game I think we won 2-1, we had no business being in. I think we were outshot 50-20 or something.

Then after that, goaltending was average or slightly below average. Overall it hurt us a bit more than it helped us IMO.

Bingo · 06-26-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

I agree with everything in this post but why can't they go with a year of Hiller/Ortio and see how Ortio does?

The way they are in on the goaltenders tells me ...

a) they don't want to HAVE to find a goaltender next year when more are available right now
b) they don't want another year of Hiller

but that's just me filling in the blanks

TheSpecialist · 06-26-2015, 10:57 AM

To me it seems as though the Flames are just trying to drive the price up for a goalie that the Oilers want and getting them to bite. I'm not sure if it will work. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Vulcan · 06-26-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Why not?

He has had limited time, but in that time I personally thought he looked a decent level better than both Hiller and Ramo. There's a pretty good possibility that Ortio could be a very good starter.

Ortio hasn't shown the consistency needed for a 1-b goalie yet. He also seems to take a number of games to get going and needs the ice time to do it. I hope he surprises but to count on him is poor management in my eyes. I like Ortio a lot but to rely on him for 30-40 games is a gamble and I don't like Hiller for more than 50 games. I'd much rather have a starter ready to play 60+ games.

AltaGuy · 06-26-2015, 10:59 AM

I wonder if we will have to eat salary on Hiller to move him if we do get another goalie. Can't see the market for him being very big. SJ, if interested as rumoured, I would assume would not want full salary. At any rate, eating cap for us isn't a big deal for a couple years I guess.

bubbsy · 06-26-2015, 11:04 AM

with the flames putting cerebral, 2-way players as the priority in how they are bringing players into the program, is throwing assets at goaltending a good idea at this stage of the rebuild??

I'm fine with going Hiller/Ortio this year, or going after another stop gap until guys like ortio/gilles are able to take on a larger role with the big club in the coming years.

MissTeeks · 06-26-2015, 11:06 AM

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie1m1 minute ago

Told that Talbot Derby still includes five teams--Edm, Calg, SJ, Dal, Fla.

868904 · 06-26-2015, 11:06 AM

No more trades with Vancouver please unless it is Ben Hanowski for Bo Horvat.

Ozy_Flame · 06-26-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 868904

No more trades with Vancouver please unless it is Ben Hanowski for Bo Horvat.

Come on, be nice. Don't subject Hanowski to that sort of torture.

GioforPM · 06-26-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 868904

No more trades with Vancouver please unless it is Ben Hanowski for Bo Horvat.

I am confused by this post, in this thread.