[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[saillias]

Originally Posted by username

I'm not sure what Dougie Hamilton you guys are talking about, but as a six foot five 21 year dman he:

- had 42 points
- lead the Bruins D in scoring
- Almost doubled his point total from a year ago
- Is still learning the game

I'm not sure what more you expect out of the guy before realizing he could (and probably will) be the next Chris Pronger. This guy is a stud. You watch him and he was probably Boston's best dman last year as a 21 year old. It was not Boston's other D making him look good, it went both ways.

Pretty bold comparison, Pronger is one of the best defenseman to ever play the game. He's the only D to win the Hart since Orr. He racked up about triple the amount of penalty minutes per season. Being 6'5" and putting up 40 points doesn't make you the next Pronger.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I think it would take Hamilton + to land Gio. Boston has to be in win now mode unless they're planning on moving Bergeron/Krejci/Rask etc. The core of the team is there and strong. Adding Gio for Hamilton would make them stronger right now.



For me, if Gio contract demands really are 9 mill per and they stay there you should look to move him. Unless the term is 3 years.



Hudler, I've said in other threads should be moved. Sell high. Be pro-active not reactive like we were in Iggy/Kipper times.

Man that article really sent everyone into a tizzy. Gio is not "demanding" 9 million dollars

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yeah.

The RFA compensation is the starting point. If you don't offer at least something similar, Bruins will say well just sign him to an offer sheet.

An RFA offer sheet for 6 million for 6 years really messes up the Bruins.

the arz #3 overall should be way better than the Flames (or any playoff team) 1st 2nd and 3rd next year.



The Bruins would be over the cap barrel.... they would be stuck with him for that contract similar to the situation that Colorado got in with RoR where they are paying their 4th best forward (at best) franchise player money.

This is an example why you don't give Gio a big 7 year contract at age 31. Who would have thought that Chara age 38 would be the reason that the Bruins have to consider trading Hamilton

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You can argue that the Bruins would have to sweeten their side of the offer as Hall is a proven scorer while Hamilton isn't an elite defenseman presently.

Well Hall has had one good offensive season. Of course Hamilton out scored him last season as a defenceman. Hall is also definitely a bottom one defensive LW in the NHL, you have to factor all that in when considering a Hall trade.

A truly elite scorer from that draft is Seguin and the Oilers GM traded him for spare parts, I have faith in Peter to do the same with a much inferior player in Taylor Hall.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well Hall has had one good offensive season. Of course Hamilton out scored him last season as a defenceman. Hall is also definitely a bottom one defensive LW in the NHL, you have to factor all that in when considering a Hall trade.

Hall at 6M does not help Boston at all.

[polak]

Instead of wasting assets on another goalie, lets invest assets into a blue chip D!!

[AltaGuy]

I would go as high as offering the equivalent of the second tier RFA compensation for Hamilton. Two firsts, second, third.

Hamilton just checks too many boxes not to be very, very interested in adding him to our core of Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, and Gaudreau.

Not sure what equivalent pieces we have to give up rather than our draft picks though - I would not add him if we could not avoid dismantling the core I identified above.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by playmaker

IMO we have 5 assets that may be considered and are highly interesting for the Bruins:

1) 1st round pick 2015
2) 1st round pick 2016
3) Mark Jankowski
4) Tyler Wotherspoon
5) Emile Poirier

Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to offering 1,2 or 4. Keep 3 and 5. Wideman may be also in play as he was Chara's pairing-mate in the past.

Doubt Boston cares about Jankowski unless he's a throw in. Klimchuk might have some interest or maybe Granlund. Realistically though our 1st, 2nds, maybe Poirier is all Boston likely cares about when it comes to trading Hamilton if your not giving up the obvious players. Wotherspoon probably has some extra value since they are giving up a young dman.

[ForeverFlameFan]

That would be a mistake for Boston to do. Hamilton should be kept.

[Roof-Daddy]

Imagine if the Flames dealt Gaudreau straight up for Dougie?

Both roughly the same age.
One a budding star winger.
One a budding star defenseman.

Gotta admit, the value has to be fairly close there.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Imagine if the Flames dealt Gaudreau straight up for Dougie?

Both roughly the same age.
One a budding star winger.
One a budding star defenseman.

Gotta admit, the value has to be fairly close there.

No.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

No.

Agreed. Don't want Gaudreau dealt. Just saying the value seems close.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That would be a mistake for Boston to do. Hamilton should be kept.

I don't agree with trading Hamilton either, but the line of thinking could be that getting the third overall pick and selecting Hanifin would theoretically replace the loss of Hamilton, and give them an inexpensive cost-controlled player for the next 3 years. Upon that contract expiring, the likes of Lucic, Chara, Eriksson, Marchand, Kelly and Seidenberg will have expired(or have been traded), allowing them to breathe again. In the meantime, they'll have most likely at least $4m to spend on roster improvements on top of whatever they clear to try and remain competitive if they wish.

[AltaGuy]

I think the value could be there for Boston given Gaudreau's stardom there, but I think Hamilton would hold considerably more value around the league than Gaudreau. Number one dmen are pretty rare. Hamilton, to me, is at Monahan's level of value (young number ones at respective important positions.).

That said, I wouldn't trade either for Hamilton, but just because I like our core.

[ricosuave]

I would move heaven and earth to get Hamilton here.

But I cant see it happening.

[868904]

Originally Posted by saillias

Pretty bold comparison, Pronger is one of the best defenseman to ever play the game. He's the only D to win the Hart since Orr. He racked up about triple the amount of penalty minutes per season. Being 6'5" and putting up 40 points doesn't make you the next Pronger.

The St Loius Blues traded established star power forward Brendan Shanahan for Chris Pronger who at the time just completed his second season with the Whalers putting up a paltry 14 points in 43 games.

Hamilton has already accomplished more than Pronger at the same age and there's still more room to grow. Hamilton is arguably ahead of where Pronger was at the same age.

This also applies to the Gaudreau for Hamilton discussion. Young star winger for young star defenseman. At the time of the Shanny / Pronger trade, Shanny was highly coveted, in fact the Blues lost Scott Stevens because they signed Shanahan.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

I would move heaven and earth to get Hamilton here.

But I cant see it happening.

No need for heaven and earth, just a 1st+2nd+3rd and $7.2M....

[polak]

I truly believe that Gaudreau has the ability and talent to be one of, if not the best player in the game one day.

Hamilton might very well be the same but I don't want to risk it. It would be a terrible day for a Flames fan if Gaudreau got traded. I really can't think of any sort of realistic package that would make me happy.

I might be the only one who wouldn't trade him for 1OA this year, even if it wasn't too Edmonton.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Blockbuster:

2015 1st, 2016 1st, Poirier, Ferland, Wotherspoon for Hamilton, Lucic.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 868904

The St Loius Blues traded established star power forward Brendan Shanahan for Chris Pronger who at the time just completed his second season with the Whalers putting up a paltry 14 points in 43 games.

Hamilton has already accomplished more than Pronger at the same age and there's still more room to grow. Hamilton is arguably ahead of where Pronger was at the same age.

This also applies to the Gaudreau for Hamilton discussion. Young star winger for young star defenseman. At the time of the Shanny / Pronger trade, Shanny was highly coveted, in fact the Blues lost Scott Stevens because they signed Shanahan.

Not to pick on you here, but if points are the proof Hamilton is ahead of Pronger in his development, there's a lot of Prongers out there