06-25-2015, 08:15 AM
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#2241
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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06-25-2015, 08:35 AM
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#2242
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First Line Centre
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Edit: Double Post
Last edited by Since1984; 06-25-2015 at 08:51 AM.
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06-25-2015, 08:39 AM
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#2243
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Franchise Player
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Here's some solid analysis on Boeser.
http://jetsnation.ca/2015/6/16/natio...3-brock-boeser
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Did someone forget to tell the Canucks they were rebuilding?
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To be fair, they traded the round 2 pick for Baertschi and the third was packaged with Kesler to Anaheim for Bonino / Sbisa / 1st 2014 / 3rd 2014. Those are reasonable rebuilding moves; it's not like they used the picks to rent a 34 year old at the deadline or something. I do suspect they're going to try to get some picks back though. Maybe a 2nd rounder for Eddie Lack... he's not quite legendary enough to be worth a late first.
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06-25-2015, 08:44 AM
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#2244
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 868904
Mckenzie also had Shinkaruk ranked much higher than Poirier, would you be happier if the Flames had stuck with Mckenzie list?
Reading all the scouting reports on Meier and Boeser, there really isn't much difference between them. Boeser actually sounds better as there are no questions about his character and commitment.
I'm always cautious about offensive numbers from the Q. Every time I watch highlights or games from that league, it's like watching the NHL from the 80's. you have really good players dominating against really bad players and bad teams. The parody and competitiveness always looks more even in the O and W.
Boeser has an outstanding pedigree and stats. He was a top scorer in the USHL, which is a really good league and he has been a star at international tournaments.
I honestly think Meier is ranked higher because he's closer to plying in the NhL as Boeser is going to take the college route. But ceiling wise, Boeser sounds like he has the higher upside especially when people are likening him to Bossy and Hull. A few scouting services have also indicated concern over Meier's upside and think he is more of a cmplimentsry player.
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All I meant by that comment was that McKenzie's list is an average from the 20 some scouts he polls. These are NHL scouts and not your average NHL fan (look at the post I quoted).
Of course there are questions as to how much information a scout would really want to give away, but the list is pretty legit. The Flames will, justified or not, receive criticism from the usual suspects if we take Boeser at 15.
Last edited by Ashasx; 06-25-2015 at 08:46 AM.
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06-25-2015, 09:03 AM
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#2245
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Alan Muir of SI gives NHL comparables for the top 35 prospects.
http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/06/23/top...-are-most-like
Pretty funny that he has Meier as comparable to Monahan after the comments on the fan 960 mock draft.
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06-25-2015, 09:10 AM
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#2246
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Gaudreau gets Kane comparisions, Monahan gets Toews and SI goes ahead and compares Broke Boeser to Patrick Sharp?
Boeser it is!
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06-25-2015, 09:23 AM
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#2247
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Bingo
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Interesting to see where Boeser is relative to the other names we keep discussing.
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06-25-2015, 09:24 AM
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#2248
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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That's one of the worst articles I've read about the draft. The concept is neat - but he's just pulled comparisons out of his arse.
The worst one:
JOEL ERIKSSON EK, FARJESTAD, SWEDEN
Big middle-six center like Minnesota's Nino Niederreiter
Ummmm. WTF?
Eriksson Ek is considered to be a smart, two-way centre with some good playmaking abilities. Nino Niederreiter doesn't even play centre, and certainly is not a two-way guy, nor a playmaker - he only does one thing - score goals.
Terrible piece. Hack.
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06-25-2015, 09:24 AM
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#2249
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Colin White seems to be consistently ranked around the middle of the first round.
Just can't see the Flames taking him though.
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06-25-2015, 09:35 AM
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I have only recently started looking into Kyle Connor in more detail and my goodness, how has this dude flown under the radar in terms of coverage? Basically every single guy who has had a similar junior career has gone on to NHL success. If you can get him around 8-11 I call that a steal.
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06-25-2015, 09:47 AM
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#2251
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I have only recently started looking into Kyle Connor in more detail and my goodness, how has this dude flown under the radar in terms of coverage? Basically every single guy who has had a similar junior career has gone on to NHL success. If you can get him around 8-11 I call that a steal.
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The New Mike Modano. Thats all I see when I watch him play hockey.
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06-25-2015, 10:04 AM
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#2252
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azzarish
Colin White seems to be consistently ranked around the middle of the first round.
Just can't see the Flames taking him though.
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He is consistently ranked right up there, but it seems like no one really talks about him. Is it his boring sounding name? I keep hearing "not flashy, but effective", which is what a lot of people said about Monahan when we drafted him.
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I have only recently started looking into Kyle Connor in more detail and my goodness, how has this dude flown under the radar in terms of coverage? Basically every single guy who has had a similar junior career has gone on to NHL success. If you can get him around 8-11 I call that a steal.
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Until lately I think. He was the guy I was hoping would fall to us, but now I don't think there is any possibility of that. But it does mean that someone else might get pushed down to us. Meier seems like a guy that might fall, but a few months ago was a pipe dream.
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06-25-2015, 10:12 AM
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#2253
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I have only recently started looking into Kyle Connor in more detail and my goodness, how has this dude flown under the radar in terms of coverage? Basically every single guy who has had a similar junior career has gone on to NHL success. If you can get him around 8-11 I call that a steal.
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USHL is quietly becoming a premier league for talent. The last draft-eligible to lead it in scoring was Gaudreau :P. I would be ecstatic if we can move up and get either Connor or Barzal.
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06-25-2015, 10:32 AM
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#2254
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: MOD EDIT: NO
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Had a dream that the Flames somehow traded for Edmonton's #16 and then drafted Konecny and Merkley
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06-25-2015, 10:35 AM
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#2255
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I have only recently started looking into Kyle Connor in more detail and my goodness, how has this dude flown under the radar in terms of coverage? Basically every single guy who has had a similar junior career has gone on to NHL success. If you can get him around 8-11 I call that a steal.
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Dammit people ... I wasn't paying attention to the draft this year!
I was gonna be content with whatever!
On board for Kyle Connor
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06-25-2015, 10:36 AM
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#2256
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Top 10 NHL Mock Draft Disrupting Prospects
- highlighting the draft weekend wildcards
Happy DRAFTmas Eve!
“Whether it be the Philadelphia Flyers going off the board to take Samuel Morin,the rapid rise of a Swedish blueliner’s stock, or Anthony Duclair slip sliding to the third round, a mock draft can go off the rails quicker than Connor McDavid can execute a wraparound. This draft class could be one for the ages with many pundits comparing it to the revered class of 2003.”
Here are my draft weekend wildcard prospects (Top 10 with 5 bonuses) bound to wreak havoc on NHL mock drafts everywhere:
Top 10 NHL Mock Draft Disrupting Prospects
Enjoy hockey's version of Christmas!
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06-25-2015, 10:38 AM
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#2257
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nik-
Dammit people ... I wasn't paying attention to the draft this year!
I was gonna be content with whatever!
On board for Kyle Connor |
Everyone should be on board for him, but there's a good chance gets picked in the top 10.
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06-25-2015, 10:55 AM
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#2258
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Franchise Player
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Oh yeah, no, I don't think the Flames will get him unless Treliving swaps up 5-7 spots. But I'm just saying that although I'd heard and seen his name as a first rounder I had no idea how GOOD this kid was and I HAVE been paying attention to the draft. People haven't really been hyping him at all.
Like you hear all this stuff about Timo Meier and Ivan Provorov and Evgeni Svechnikov and on this guy nothing. He's pretty clearly, IMO, a far better prospect than any of those guys (to be fair he's ranked much higher than Svech or Meier but I'm talking about hype here). What gives?
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06-25-2015, 10:57 AM
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#2259
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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American players in the USHL often get under hyped unless they play for the USNTDP. It is not a league a lot of people follow.
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06-25-2015, 11:01 AM
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#2260
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
He is consistently ranked right up there, but it seems like no one really talks about him. Is it his boring sounding name? I keep hearing "not flashy, but effective", which is what a lot of people said about Monahan when we drafted him.
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Maybe it's because he's just consistent in every aspect of his play, rather than standing out in say scoring. I keep hearing Patrice Bergeron 2.0, and who wouldn't want one of those on their team. Everything I've read about says he's going to be a top 2-way player in the NHL for many years.
He isn't one of my preferred picks at 15, but I've got a sneaky feeling he might go earlier than we think. I wonder if Boston selects him being a local kid from the area.
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