NHL Free Agent Frenzy July 1st.

[Ashasx]

No bottom pairing defenceman should get a 4 year contract.

He's not going to get that on the open market anyway, and it's kind of laughable. More than half the league passed him up for free. 19 games with the Flames doesn't earn him a contract like that.

The interest doesn't exist for him. I expect if a deal does happen, it will be for 1 year at around $1 million.

There's no rush to sign bottom pairing waiver fodder.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Includes his numbers from AZ and DAL as well.


Bottom pairing d men under the age of 30 get paid as UFA, I wouldn't be surprised to see 3x3.5 or 4x3. Sorry I may have misspoke, I would be happy with signing Schlemko to anything below 4x3. But if you think he's signing for anything around $3MM or $2MM total you're out to lunch. He'll be closer to 9, maybe taking less if he signs with the Flames

That sounds like some MacTavish logic right there. Never go full MacT.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Includes his numbers from AZ and DAL as well.


Bottom pairing d men under the age of 30 get paid as UFA, I wouldn't be surprised to see 3x3.5 or 4x3. Sorry I may have misspoke, I would be happy with signing Schlemko to anything below 4x3. But if you think he's signing for anything around $3MM or $2MM total you're out to lunch. He'll be closer to 9, maybe taking less if he signs with the Flames

He played 44 games last season and got 4 points. He's not great defensively either. Players that get placed on waivers don't get 4 year, $12M contracts after 19 "just okay" games with the team that claimed them.

He'll be lucky to get a 2 year deal.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Dave is that you???

Originally Posted by codynw

Schlemko won't get anywhere near that much money or term. I think over $1.5M would be an overpayment.

Originally Posted by Poe969

Schlemko was ok... I don't think re-signing him is that much of a priority though and if he gets anything over 1.5, I hope it's from a different team.

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Schlemko @ 3 mill per year would be a Adam Pardy type contract Dallas gave him and we all laughed.

Look at his advanced numbers. He drives possession better than almost anyone on the Flames, he was a positive possession player this year (according to stats.hockeyanalysis) playing for Arizona Dallas and Calgary this year, with most of his time being spent on a poor possession team. With the growing trend of possession numbers and analytics in NHL front offices, a guy that outperforms his team is going to get paid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Yeah, Schlemko is a keeper at around $1.2 million, but anything more than that, and I would rather pick up another off the scrap heap.

[ForeverFlameFan]

For Dubnyk, I would only want to see a 3 year deal with him. 5m x 3 years would be ideal.

As for Schlemko, there is no way he is worth 3m per year. We can easily get him for a 1 x 2m or a 2 x 1.5m.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Look at his advanced numbers. He drives possession better than almost anyone on the Flames, he was a positive possession player this year (according to stats.hockeyanalysis) playing for Arizona Dallas and Calgary this year, with most of his time being spent on a poor possession team. With the growing trend of possession numbers and analytics in NHL front offices, a guy that outperforms his team is going to get paid.

Look at the contract Russell earned from the Flames after an entire season of hockey.

You think Schlemko deserves a contract for more than twice the value? Does that really make sense?

He's a 1 year, $1 million player.

[codynw]

If his possession numbers are so good, why was he placed on waivers twice?

Is it possible that people (NHL GMs included) look at things besides Corsi when determining a player's value? Nah, that's crazy talk!

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

No bottom pairing defenceman should get a 4 year contract.

He's not going to get that on the open market anyway, and it's kind of laughable. More than half the league passed him up for free. 19 games with the Flames doesn't earn him a contract like that.

The interest doesn't exist for him. I expect if a deal does happen, it will be for 1 year at around $1 million.

There's no rush to sign bottom pairing waiver fodder.

Just because he was waived doesn't mean there wasn't interested. The first time he was waived he was picked up by Dallas, a non playoff team at the time, meaning any time sitting in a playoff spot in that point of time didn't get a chance to claim him. When the Flames claimed him they were in the bottom of the playoffs, meaning that half the teams in the league, which were sitting above them didn't get a chance to claim him. You don't think Chicago or TB would have loved to have David Schlemko instead of David Rundad/Kyle Cumiskey/Andrej Sustr?

Fact is, he's 27, puts up possession numbers like a top 3 dmen but only gets the ice time of a #7. If he gets the ice time his possession numbers suggest he should, his points will increase.

In my opinion with younger players long term deals are better, as the cap goes up their contracts shrink relative to the cap total.

[The Fonz]

Schlemko doesn't get more than $1.5m/yr on the open market. I'd be happy if we could get him signed to a 3yr deal @ $1.35m per, but any more term or $$ than that and it's an overpayment.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Just because he was waived doesn't mean there wasn't interested. The first time he was waived he was picked up by Dallas, a non playoff team at the time, meaning any time sitting in a playoff spot in that point of time didn't get a chance to claim him. When the Flames claimed him they were in the bottom of the playoffs, meaning that half the teams in the league, which were sitting above them didn't get a chance to claim him. You don't think Chicago or TB would have loved to have David Schlemko instead of David Rundad/Kyle Cumiskey/Andrej Sustr?

Fact is, he's 27, puts up possession numbers like a top 3 dmen but only gets the ice time of a #7. If he gets the ice time his possession numbers suggest he should, his points will increase.

In my opinion with younger players long term deals are better, as the cap goes up their contracts shrink relative to the cap total.

It just seems to me that you're arguing from the perspective of an agent and not taking into consideration what his market value actually is.

If Schlemko can get a twelve million dollar contract in free agency, let another team do it. You simply don't give that money and term to bottom pairing defenceman.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Just because he was waived doesn't mean there wasn't interested. The first time he was waived he was picked up by Dallas, a non playoff team at the time, meaning any time sitting in a playoff spot in that point of time didn't get a chance to claim him. When the Flames claimed him they were in the bottom of the playoffs, meaning that half the teams in the league, which were sitting above them didn't get a chance to claim him. You don't think Chicago or TB would have loved to have David Schlemko instead of David Rundad/Kyle Cumiskey/Andrej Sustr?

Fact is, he's 27, puts up possession numbers like a top 3 dmen but only gets the ice time of a #7. If he gets the ice time his possession numbers suggest he should, his points will increase.

In my opinion with younger players long term deals are better, as the cap goes up their contracts shrink relative to the cap total.

You're insane. He was waived because he wasn't good enough to crack the mediocre Star's defence. It's that simple. He probably would have cleared waivers if Calgary didn't find themselves desperate for a defenceman at the time.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Includes his numbers from AZ and DAL as well.


Bottom pairing d men under the age of 30 get paid as UFA, I wouldn't be surprised to see 3x3.5 or 4x3. Sorry I may have misspoke, I would be happy with signing Schlemko to anything below 4x3. But if you think he's signing for anything around $3MM or $2MM total you're out to lunch. He'll be closer to 9, maybe taking less if he signs with the Flames

Schlemko is waiver wire material, his next contract will make you look back on this post with regrets.

[DJones]

If he had such good possession numbers and he was still cut by two teams not in the playoffs I don't think you can use that as a positive haha.

Let Edmonton overpay him

[OutOfTheCube]

Buffalo will be in hard on the goalies. Either through trade or throwing money at Dubnyk/Niemi. They have to be.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Fire

Schlemko is waiver wire material, his next contract will make you look back on this post with regrets.

Devan Dubnyk was traded for free, and waived last year with no claims. Now he's looking at 5MM a year...

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Devan Dubnyk was traded for free, and waived last year with no claims. Now he's looking at 5MM a year...

Dubnyk is a Vezina trophy finalist.

Just stop.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Schlemko at 3x3 is beyond laughable. I agree he may be a little bit under-rated from a defensive standpoint, but there's no way he'll get anything over 1.5 x 2.

It's okay Cheerio, you don't have to keep defending your post. You'll get em next time. We don't need more posters who refuse to give into a clearly lost argument.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Look at the contract Russell earned from the Flames after an entire season of hockey.

You think Schlemko deserves a contract for more than twice the value? Does that really make sense?

He's a 1 year, $1 million player.

Without commenting on Schlemko or Russell at all, much less what Schlemko is worth on the market, you just can't compare an RFA salary with a UFA salary. The sad fact is that many RFAs and ELCs outplay UFAs and aer paid far less, just because that's the way it is.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Schlemko was ok... I don't think re-signing him is that much of a priority though and if he gets anything over 1.5, I hope it's from a different team.

No kidding. If they signed him for a couple of seasons on the cheap I could live with that but it he leaves for another team I wouldn't lose any sleep. He's nothing more than a depth guy.