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Lucky boy · 08-14-2006, 06:10 PM

Here is a link to some wild stuff

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US 'knew of Israel bombing plan'
Israel and the United States were in close contact about Israel's war on Hezbollah long before it began, a US investigative journalist has claimed.

Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, whose past work includes exposing the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and Vietnam's My Lai massacre.

'Pre-emptive visit'
Israel's "immediate security issues were reason enough to confront Hezbollah, regardless of what the Bush administration wanted," Mr Hersh cites "Israeli military and intelligence experts" as saying.

But, Hersh says, Israeli officials visited Washington to secure US support for its plans before Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers on 12 July, the ostensible cause of the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4792961.stm?ls

Now before everyone starts attacking everyone, take the article for what it is, which is no more than a report.

I found it kind of interesting, and it does offer us ground to make some wild theories. For one, if Isreal/US were already planing attacks on hezbollah, that means that Iran knew about it and pushed Hezbollah to start the conflict. It also means that they are trying to draw away attention from their Nuclear program.

Do any of you guys forsee a war in Iran? Thoughts?

Muta · 08-14-2006, 06:25 PM

For all we know, both Israeli and American officials may have agreed on this plan as a response to whatever Hezbollah's next action was. In this case, it was the kidnapping of two soldiers.

Whether or not the response was too much or too little, it obviously factored in Hezbollah making the first move.

Flash Walken · 08-14-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucky boy

For one, if Isreal/US were already planing attacks on hezbollah, that means that Iran knew about it and pushed Hezbollah to start the conflict. It also means that they are trying to draw away attention from their Nuclear program.

uhm, what?

Lucky boy · 08-14-2006, 07:07 PM

hohohohoho, always re-read your words before you post. That was some terrible english.

What I meant to say is:

If the US wanted to get rid of Hezbollah missiles in southern Lebanon before they attempt an air raid on Iran's nuclear facilities, as the article suggests, it might mean that Iran knew about this, and thus might have pushed Hezbollah to kidnap the soldiers. It also might mean that Iran does have something to hide.

Those are my wild theories for the day. What are yours?

Flash Walken · 08-14-2006, 08:02 PM

I don't think that's a wild theory, infact, that's what I thought as soon as this mess started.

Flames in 07 · 08-14-2006, 10:08 PM

it wouldn't surprise me. I'm not sure what the right answer is ... unlike many who can tell you that one side is right and one side is wrong. I guess I'm not smart enough to make something this complicated so simple. But I do know that a world with Iran having nuke capability is not a world I look forward to.

Lanny_MacDonald · 08-15-2006, 05:45 AM

Conspiracy theorists! (Sorry, that is a pre-emptive strike from the usual dittoheads that I'm sure will enter into the fray soon)

Lucky boy · 08-15-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

But I do know that a world with Iran having nuke capability is not a world I look forward to.

I would agree for the most part. Even though I consider myself anti-US government policies, a powerful Iran can cause a lot of unstability. It is quite obvious that Iran and Syria have come out stronger than what they were before as a result of this current crisis. Whatever political stance one might have, make no question about it, Iran has become the new superpower of the region, replacing the likes of Egypt and Jordan.

I have said it before, what is now happening with all the acusations that Iran is getting from the US is really similar to what happened in the months leading up to the war in Iraq. Even though it seems like Iran is trying to get the nuke, we all believed that Iraq had WMD, and we all know what happened there.

Even though we are in the age of state of the art media technology, where news can travel across the globe in seconds, never has it been harder to find where lies the actual truth.

North East Goon · 08-15-2006, 09:43 AM

At the end of the day, can the U.S. or the U.N. really prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear power. You cant start forcing your will upon every country you do not trust. The people in the middle east deserve the right to try and develop alternative means of energy just like any other country. As scary as it may be, the western world was going batty when the USSR acquired nuclear power as well. They are probably just as scared of the americans as we are of them.

Azure · 08-15-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by North East Goon

At the end of the day, can the U.S. or the U.N. really prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear power. You cant start forcing your will upon every country you do not trust. The people in the middle east deserve the right to try and develop alternative means of energy just like any other country. As scary as it may be, the western world was going batty when the USSR acquired nuclear power as well. They are probably just as scared of the americans as we are of them.

I don't think they're scared of the Americans in a 'nuclear' sense. Same thing with Israel, else all those nations/groups that oppose Israel wouldn't be so outright in their cause.

Its hard to say; when you have a leader that calls for Israel to be taken from the map, and in the meantime is trying to develop nuclear weapons, what kind of leverage do you give him?

Flash Walken · 08-15-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think they're scared of the Americans in a 'nuclear' sense. Same thing with Israel, else all those nations/groups that oppose Israel wouldn't be so outright in their cause.

Its hard to say; when you have a leader that calls for Israel to be taken from the map, and in the meantime is trying to develop nuclear weapons, what kind of leverage do you give him?

as opposed to a leader who calls for "maximum jews, minimum arabs" and already has a high-tech nuclear arsenal?

Azure · 08-15-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

as opposed to a leader who calls for "maximum jews, minimum arabs" and already has a high-tech nuclear arsenal?

Is that leader also threatening to do something that only nuclear weapons could accomplish?

Vulcan · 08-15-2006, 03:15 PM

So, now that Hezbullah's missile's have been gotten rid of, whose airforce is going to take out Iran's nuclear facilities, the Israeli's or the USA's?

Flash Walken · 08-15-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

So, now that Hezbullah's missile's have been gotten rid of, whose airforce is going to take out Iran's nuclear facilities, the Israeli's or the USA's?

Israeli's, probably.

Maybe US B2's from North Dakota or Nevada, with Israel taking responsibility.

zztim81 · 08-15-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

So, now that Hezbullah's missile's have been gotten rid of, whose airforce is going to take out Iran's nuclear facilities, the Israeli's or the USA's?

A coalition of the willing…. Duh...

USA, Spain, Morocco, Slovenia, Democratic Republic of the Congo… you know all the usual suspects…

Flash Walken · 08-15-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zztim81

A coalition of the willing…. Duh...

USA, Spain, Morocco, Slovenia, Democratic Republic of the Congo… you know all the usual suspects…

Not spain, they want nothing to do with war on arab populations anymore.

Vulcan · 08-15-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not spain, they want nothing to do with war on arab populations anymore.

Iran is not Arab but anyways will Iran react and go to war if bombed?

Agamemnon · 08-15-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Iran is not Arab but anyways will Iran react and go to war if bombed?

If their nuclear facilities/capability gets bombed, there's not much they can do... invade Iraq?

Flash Walken · 08-15-2006, 03:55 PM

Er, ya, I grouped Iran in with the other arab nations. I know they're persian, but it's a weird mind-block that's hard for me to shake.

Anyway...

It should be noted that I think what we're all refering to is a strategic bombing strike against Iran's nuclear capabilities, probably in the form of an underground reactor. Were that to happen, it's hard to judge what Iran's response would be. I don't know if they would react militarily as a country, but were that to happen, I think it would be safe to assume that violence in Iraq would escalate exponentially, and you would probably see an escalation in terrorist activity in Europe.

Saudi reaction would be interesting as well.

Vulcan · 08-15-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Were that to happen, it's hard to judge what Iran's response would be. I don't know if they would react militarily as a country, but were that to happen, I think it would be safe to assume that violence in Iraq would escalate exponentially, and you would probably see an escalation in terrorist activity in Europe.

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Or Iran could pull in it's horns as Libya did after Reagen bombed them.