Federal Politics 2015 Thread

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You want me to give examples of stupid things Trudeau has said?
Just Google it.

Edit: And for the record I wasn't just referring to Trudeau as campaigning against Alberta. Liberal leaders have been using us as a whipping boy for decades.

Can't think of anything eh? You can't find a single example of Trudeau attacking Alberta. How amusing. One one hand you say "I hope they dump him because I would like someone I can vote for."

Now you say you won't vote for him because he continually attacks Alberta. No examples of the supposedly egregious attacks and it's "I meant the Liberals in general." So just to clarify...the Liberals have been horrifically attacking Alberta (allegedly) bit I'd they had a different leader you would vote for them. Makes complete sense to me!

Are you sure you aren't one of the actors in the CPC commercial who would vote for Justin "in a few years"?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06...n_7598818.html

More embarrassing rhetoric from the Conservatives. Shades of Vic Toews.

He's not wrong though.

The Lévis-Bellechasse MP made reference to the Canadian arm of International Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy (IRFAN) — a group the government said transferred approximately $14.6 million in resources to organizations connected to Hamas between 2005 and 2009.

The federal government labelled IRFAN-Canada a terrorist entity under the Criminal Code last year.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Slava

Can't think of anything eh? You can't find a single example of Trudeau attacking Alberta. How amusing.

Good grief, fine.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trud...erta-1.1241750

"Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn't work," Trudeau told interviewer Patrick Lagacé.

When asked whether he thought Canada was "better served when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans," Trudeau replied, "I'm a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes.

Originally Posted by Slava

Are you sure you aren't one of the actors in the CPC commercial who would vote for Justin "in a few years"?

I thought you were better than that.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He's not wrong though.

Those allegations have not been proven and the federal government has done everything in its power to make the appeals process for IRFAN as difficult as possible, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

http://www.wrmea.org/2014-august/can...estinians.html

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Those allegations have not been proven and the federal government has done everything in its power to make the appeals process for IRFAN as difficult as possible, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

http://www.wrmea.org/2014-august/can...estinians.html

Spin it anyway you want. Your initial comment was silly.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Spin it anyway you want. Your initial comment was silly.

"I'm have no interest in the facts behind the debate."

That about sum up your post?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

"I'm have no interest in the facts behind the debate."

That about sum up your post?

Thats not the point of how you are characterizing his comments.

If you had said "MP labels NDP and libs siding with quasi terrorist group" and listed reason and support and discuss the issue then you would have a point.

But you said "More embarrassing rhetoric from the Conservatives. Shades of Vic Toews."

Now you are just trying to get a rise.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Good grief, fine.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trud...erta-1.1241750




I thought you were better than that.

I honestly forgot all about that. It's a quote from years ago and is virtually meaningless. It's or far less significance than the firewall letter penned by Harper I would say, and yet we give him a pass for that.

And better than what? (In regards to your last comment) I thought it was fairly obvious that was a joke, but if it's somehow offensive than I definitely apologize.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Thats not the point of how you are characterizing his comments.

If you had said "MP labels NDP and libs siding with quasi terrorist group" and listed reason and support and discuss the issue then you would have a point.

But you said "More embarrassing rhetoric from the Conservatives. Shades of Vic Toews."

Now you are just trying to get a rise.

Except neither the NDP or Libs are siding with the group. They're asking the Conservatives to address a report, only a fraction of which was related to defunding and harassing charity organizations. It was utter hyperbole by Lagace , designed to deflect valid criticisms.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Slava

I honestly forgot all about that. It's a quote from years ago and is virtually meaningless. It's or far less significance than the firewall letter penned by Harper I would say, and yet we give him a pass for that.

It's a quote from 2010, hardly ancient history.

Originally Posted by Slava

And better than what? (In regards to your last comment) I thought it was fairly obvious that was a joke, but if it's somehow offensive than I definitely apologize.

It came across as a personal attack, guess I took it wrong.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Jacks

It's a quote from 2010, hardly ancient history.


It came across as a personal attack, guess I took it wrong.

Well its five years old, and even that article is a couple years old. It was back during the byelection when the CPC was worried that Crockatt would lose. My favorite part about that article was the blasts about the NEP though. I hope I am around for the centenary of that and to see if the CPC is still using it.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by Slava

I honestly forgot all about that. It's a quote from years ago and is virtually meaningless. It's or far less significance than the firewall letter penned by Harper I would say, and yet we give him a pass for that.

And better than what? (In regards to your last comment) I thought it was fairly obvious that was a joke, but if it's somehow offensive than I definitely apologize.

The gist of the firewall letter was that Alberta should accrue the same powers and latitude that Quebec already enjoys within confederation. It is no where near the same league as what was obviously a xenophobic position put forward by Trudeau.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

The gist of the firewall letter was that Alberta should accrue the same powers and latitude that Quebec already enjoys within confederation. It is no where near the same league as what was obviously a xenophobic position put forward by Trudeau.

well the gist of the firewall letter was....well a firewall! He was paranoid about the federal government attempting to steal Alberta's wealth and encroaching on provincial jurisdiction. I'm not sure it gets more xenophobic than that.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Cut the colonial BS out of this, facts are facts, and stats are stats. And according to the stats Natives are killing each other- NOT the "patriarchal, white boogyman." Oh, and more blacks are in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT FOR CRIME!

Facts from the FBI and Department of Justice on blacks in America:

Blacks commit 56% of all robbery, despite only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Database

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Despite making up less than 7% of the US population, black males commit 1 in every 3 rapes. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Young black men kill 14X more than young white men. Source: Time Magazine
Blacks make up more than 50% of all homicide victims. Source: US Department of Justice

Hey, Adolf. The 1950s called. They want their "blame cultural deficiency" argument back.

[Street Pharmacist]

Godwin'd!

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by Slava

well the gist of the firewall letter was....well a firewall! He was paranoid about the federal government attempting to steal Alberta's wealth and encroaching on provincial jurisdiction. I'm not sure it gets more xenophobic than that.

Yep, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Agenda , super xenophobic.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Yep, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Agenda , super xenophobic.

You don't think that this has even a slightly xenophobic tone?

An economic slowdown, and perhaps even recession, threatens North America, the
government in Ottawa will be tempted to take advantage of Alberta’s prosperity, to redistribute
income from Alberta to residents of other provinces in order to keep itself in power. It is
imperative to take the initiative, to build firewalls around Alberta, to limit the extent to which an
aggressive and hostile federal government can encroach upon legitimate provincial jurisdiction.

How about this?

We are not dismayed by the outcome of the election so
much as by the strategy employed by the current federal government to secure its re-election. In
our view, the Chretien government undertook a series of attacks not merely designed to defeat its
partisan opponents, but to marginalize Alberta and Albertans within Canada’s political system

Its full to the brim with that kind of language.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Godwin'd!

Well earned. The guy is either a keyboard drooling simpleton or a wilfully ignorant racist prick. Pick your poison.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by icecube

Hey, Adolf. The 1950s called. They want their "blame cultural deficiency" argument back.

I think this a problem though, you can't blame the criminal justice system for handing out more punishment to a group that is committing more crimes.

You have to look at the social economic system that is allowing large groups of people to get stuck in these damaging cycles of, poverty, under employment, addiction, crime, domestic violence.

Complaining their are more Natives in Canadian jails, or more Blacks in American jails doesn't really do anything when they are committing more crimes. You have to deal with the root causes, but that will not be an instant fix. There will still be allot of people out there for a long time for whom the damage done will continue to cause problems, which will continue to skew the statistics.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think this a problem though, you can't blame the criminal justice system for handing out more punishment to a group that is committing more crimes.

When the Ferguson police department has 93% of their arrests against black people, do you honestly think 93% of the crimes being done in Ferguson Missouri are being done by black people?