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Old 06-17-2015, 04:42 PM   #161
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Just make the nets 20 feet wide like soccer. Who gives a #### if it's possible for the goalie to stop it or not?
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or make the 3rd period 4 on 4, change ends after 10 minutes to make it the long change.


one of these posts seems serious.....I can't decide which one
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:30 PM   #162
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I believe I would find a 3-2 game with 30 scoring chances more exciting than a 6-5 game with 30 scoring chances.
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:28 PM   #163
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Please don't turn this into Lacrosse.

It's perfect the way it is. I don't remember a game going into OT at 0-0?

If that's not happening on a regular basis then there is no issue. Sure a 6-5 game might be exciting here and there but I'll take 2-1 on a regular basis over 6-5 on a regular basis any day.
I don't want NHL hockey to turn into lacrosse. I want it to become more like it was in the days of Gretzky and Lemieux.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:11 PM   #164
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Please don't turn this into Lacrosse.

It's perfect the way it is. I don't remember a game going into OT at 0-0?

If that's not happening on a regular basis then there is no issue. Sure a 6-5 game might be exciting here and there but I'll take 2-1 on a regular basis over 6-5 on a regular basis any day.
In the playoffs, every game is exciting.

During the regular season, in the doldrums of January, there are some 2-1 games played with basically zero intensity that are just painful to watch.

4-3 with a lead change or two helps that situation a little bit.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:00 AM   #165
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Why doesn't the NHL add a line where only three players can come below the top of the circles? - Ringette
Why doesn't the NHL penalize goaltending? - Basketball
Why don't goalies have teeny little leg pads? - Lacrosse

I like hockey and make it my sport of choice for many reasons, lets not screw with it to much here.

Oh and by the way, I am ok with the average game being 3-2. That's a goal every 12 minutes, sounds good to me. I did a quick spread sheet on the GF and GA totals per team/game. League wide during the regular season goals per game avg was 5.46. Thats enough scoring for me. Teams are going to lock it down in the playoffs, always will.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:36 AM   #166
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Why not decrease the width of the posts and cross bar by making them thinner. The outside dimensions will stay the same with the thinner posts and crossbar creating more spce for the puck to go in.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:16 AM   #167
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:09 AM   #168
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Why not decrease the width of the posts and cross bar by making them thinner. The outside dimensions will stay the same with the thinner posts and crossbar creating more spce for the puck to go in.
I was thinking of a way to somehow make the posts thinner and angled towards the inside of the net (without making it more dangerous). Many games have 3+ shots that hit posts. If we can fashion the posts so that more of those shots deflect into the net instead of into the crowd, that would be an answer to increasing the scoring without changing the game too much.
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:57 AM   #169
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There is nothing wrong with the level of goal scoring in the NHL. The game is faster, the players are in better shape and more skilled, and the distribution of talent is more even than it has ever been.
The worry isn't just that scoring is down, but the direction of the trend. Goalies continue to get bigger and better-trained. Blocked shots per game continues to rise. I could easily see a drop of another goal per game over the next couple years. It makes sense to address the issue before fans start to turn out, not after.

Personally, I don't see why it's messing with tradition to ban a tactic that only became widespread in the last 10 years, or to return equipment to the size it was 20 years ago.
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Personally, I don't see why it's messing with tradition to ban a tactic that only became widespread in the last 10 years, or to return equipment to the size it was 20 years ago.
I don't think anyone has claimed it would be messing with tradition.
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Personally, I don't see why it's messing with tradition to ban a tactic that only became widespread in the last 10 years, or to return equipment to the size it was 20 years ago.
I don't see reducing goaltender equipment size as making changes to the game or tradition as that's simply a correction as it kind of took on a life of it's own in the 90's where it just kept getting bigger and bigger with the addition of cheaters. It should be reset back to 80's size and with today's technologies there is no excuse that it can't be reduced in size as it's not like goaltenders actually get injured stopping pucks as their injuries these days are mostly groin and knee related due to the wear and tear of playing the position not the equipment.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:10 PM   #172
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I'm curious how much the game would change if the goalies were played with a player stick rather than the current oars they use.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:18 PM   #173
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Every game should be an all-star game where the score is 14-13. Everyone loves the all-star game right?! /GreenText

You need to sit through the occasional 1-0 game to be able to fully appreciate the 6-5 come-from-behind games. Otherwise it's just like basketball, as other have said. Scoring should be rare enough to be excited about each time.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:24 PM   #174
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In the playoffs, every game is exciting.

During the regular season, in the doldrums of January, there are some 2-1 games played with basically zero intensity that are just painful to watch.

4-3 with a lead change or two helps that situation a little bit.
Easiest way to avoid those games - no more back to back games and no more afternoon games. You won't eliminate all of them (two bad teams are going to be bad no matter when they play) but you'll get rid of a lot of boring games doing that.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:34 AM   #175
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I don't want NHL hockey to turn into lacrosse. I want it to become more like it was in the days of Gretzky and Lemieux.
Agree to disagree then cause I cringe when I watch highlights from the 80's and early 90's where it seems like any half decent shot on net is a goal.

I like that goals are hard to come by. It makes them more exciting. If every tic tac toe play or wrister from the circle is a goal, then those plays automatically lose their value in my eyes.

Then again I'll take Soccer over Basketball or Lacrosse any day of the week so I guess I'm probably in the minority on this forum.
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Agree to disagree then cause I cringe when I watch highlights from the 80's and early 90's where it seems like any half decent shot on net is a goal.

I like that goals are hard to come by. It makes them more exciting. If every tic tac toe play or wrister from the circle is a goal, then those plays automatically lose their value in my eyes.

Then again I'll take Soccer over Basketball or Lacrosse any day of the week so I guess I'm probably in the minority on this forum.
Totally agree, its full of weak wrist shots going and bad angle shots going in, which would get a goalie waived in today's NHL.

Its funny that people keep going back to the 80's as the reference point to the glory days of hockey.

Seriously, watch an 80's game objectively and without nostalgia and you realize that the overall level of hockey was terrible compared to today. Teams now play so much more structured, every line can contribute, the athletes are better conditioned. The game is so much better.

We don't need more goals, if it happens it should happen organically by finding ways to get by an organized defense, not by constantly trying to shift rules in favour of goal scoring.
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In the playoffs, every game is exciting.

During the regular season, in the doldrums of January, there are some 2-1 games played with basically zero intensity that are just painful to watch.

4-3 with a lead change or two helps that situation a little bit.
Flames fans saw lead changes all season long, especially comebacks. No bigger nets needed.

And trust me, the doldrums of January were still the doldrums of January in the 80's.

What sport has a season where every single game is amazing? Its not possible. That's sports.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:31 AM   #178
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I'm all for smaller goalie equipment, or slightly larger nets. Most goals these days come from deflections (be it intentional, defencemen's stick, or just bouncing off bodies in front) or through screens. I'd love to see snipers get rewarded a little more often. A slapshot on the rush used to be an exciting play...now it's a last resort.
Case in point:

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Case in point:

Exactly.

That's a terrible goal from the freaking blue line.

I know it's looked back on with some fondness but if that happened now I would call that a garbage goal and call for the goalies head.

Making it harder to score inspires creativity since you can't just blast it from the blue line.
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You guys do realize it's not 80's or how it is now? There are shades of gray to this thing. Maybe not 50, but...
Anyhow, what I don't want is goalies standing on their knees covering the whole not. Whether it's nets proportional to the athlete size or equipment reduction or both...
And you do also realize that a lot of 80's hockey looks bad because a lot of those players were bad (compared to today)? Increasing the net size is not going to make the actual hockey any worse... And I would like to see a goal off the wing rush once in a while a la Lafleur or Joey Mullen. Or even Iginla circa 2004...
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