CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by GGG

Go back and look at his progress day 1 through day 4 and evaluate if it's natural learning or coaching.

Come on man. We've been playing this game for almost a month.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Dangit oling, you make some good points.

I absolutely can't stand the way starseed is posting, whether it be poorly researching his arguments, dancing around questions, subjective stats that make the crux of his argument "people voting for me are scum", or trotting out the same arguments against me that I'm just so tired of defending (did you guys hear that lego posted a theory about me on day 3? he's referenced that post like 5 times). The most annoying part of it is if I posted the way he does I'd have been voted out ages ago, but he gets a pass from a bunch of you for his play in previous games, and I feel like he is coasting on a reputation while not putting much effort into the actual game we're playing right now. Unfortunately, he is under my skin to the point that I might just be voting for him because I dislike his style. GGG called this "squiggsing".

But I agree. If he's town then the scum must be thrilled to keep things quiet in here. I'm operating under the assumption that there is at least one turned and possibly two out there so we're getting into crunch time here. If we vote out another townie and another gets turned all of a sudden the scum side has 6 of 13 players. We could very realistically lose this game by the end of day 6. I still believe we had at least one scum on the hook at the end of day 4, and I believe bizarro's fumbling was not an accident. So I'm going to see what turning up the heat on mrkajz does. If he flips scum, then I'm going right after bizarro next.

unvote
vote: mrkajz44

aaand as I wrote this the votes swung to me. Alright then.

[Hockeyguy15]

Does no one think it's weird that Mrkajz hasn't voted for any of the lynch targets? Is he really that good at not voting for town?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I still wonder why people keep thinking the hosts passed themselves the spore, especially when we haven't hit any of them with a lynch. It makes hardly any sense to me.

I'm just thinking through all the possibilities. It's probably a low chance they actually passed it amongst themselves I guess. But if the goal was for us to start thinking at least one or two have been turned, and lose focus on hunting hosts, that would have been achieved. And it will start to get more confusing as time goes on, too. Who's lying and who's telling the truth about receiving the spore, being turned or not, etc. could muddy the waters quite a bit. I just want to be careful saying there is a "confirmed" turned - I don't think we can know that for sure at this point.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Thanks Squiggs96, my vote isn't locked on you for not discussing then. However, I just can't see how you missed SebC gaining that town cred, you yourself commented on it. It doesn't make sense to leave him off your list.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well Sebc wouldn't have pm'd if he was scum and already told. Going to take this as Sebc being town, until we lose the spore at least.

Originally Posted by GGG

I would have to agree, sorry Seb, I guess you have your reasons for your strategy.

Originally Posted by devo22

it's definitely positive. Beside the information of what happens to the spore in that specific case, we pretty much have a second confirmed townie now. Given your posting style that's not surprising, but it's good to have confirmation.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

With Seb is the best scum in the world or Mazrim is going to kick himself for his comment. At least for one day we have 2 confirmed town now.

Originally Posted by Peanut

SebC, unless he's thinking like 5 moves ahead of us all, would not have posted about the potential game ender and Mazrim reply, if he already had the scum info. So he's a high probability town for me.

Originally Posted by GGG

The push for HG has been going, Seb is been confirmed town,

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I was convinced he was town before, and this has cemented that in my mind, as Mazrim all but confirmed he was asked by the scum before and asked by SebC now, which implies that Seb isn't scum, imo.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

The post by Mazrim was very good for Seb in aligning him with the town. I didn't think Seb was scum before. He played similar to how I did in Smash Bros. where he is being kind of a jerk, the attention is on him all the time, and it's a very risky move if he was a host. It's a brilliant move if he's a host, but I don't think he is one.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I still wonder why people keep thinking the hosts passed themselves the spore, especially when we haven't hit any of them with a lynch. It makes hardly any sense to me.

Oling what are your thoughts on Mrkajz and PE, not as a connection just thoughts on reach of them?

Oling, thoughts on Mrkajz and PE?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Oling, thoughts on Mrkajz and PE?

I think I would prefer voting for PE over Mrkajz44.

But Devo22, Peanut, Squiggs96 and Bizaro86 are probably higher on my list then either.

I think a shift to Devo22 could make for an interesting day.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I think I would prefer voting for PE over Mrkajz44.

But Devo22, Peanut, Squiggs96 and Bizaro86 are probably higher on my list then either.

I think a shift to Devo22 could make for an interesting day.

You don't find it strange Mrkajz hasn't voted for any people being lynched? Or that he's been saved on 2 lynches?

[starseed]

Devo has scum tells, but seems to in the background. If we need to do a late run, he isn't on my town list.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You don't find it strange Mrkajz hasn't voted for any people being lynched? Or that he's been saved on 2 lynches?

Well the saving yesterday, I believe, started with Puxlut unvoting after the death post so it wasn't started by scum. Squiggs96 was the first unconfirmed townie to switch after that. So I don't think his save, at least yesterday, was scum and if it was then I still circle back to Squiggs96.

With no Host revealed I'm afraid we've just been going after townies. That's why I would like to go after someone who I don't think has gotten much traction when he has been voted for, especially when our confirmed townie voted for him, Devo22.

[Timbo]

Wow some input ... So for now
Unvote
I'm going shooting tomorrow in the AM(I love the smell of cordite in the morning)
FYI paper targets.
I should have no problem being active again by 4 pm

[squiggs96]

Has there been anyone that hasn't received a vote yet? I'm on an iPad making the search difficult. I think it's only Oling and Pux without.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Has there been anyone that hasn't received a vote yet? I'm on an iPad making the search difficult. I think it's only Oling and Pux without.

I think you're right.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Does no one think it's weird that Mrkajz hasn't voted for any of the lynch targets? Is he really that good at not voting for town?

We've only had three lynches, so I don't think its overly weird. Here's devo's list from the start of day 4:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1266

There distribution is as follows:

2 voted for all 3 lynches
6 voted for 2 lynches
4 votes for 1 lynch
1 voted for 0 lynches

So I am on one end of the scale with no votes for the lynched, but there are also two for all 3 lynches, the other end of the scale. No one seems to think that votes for all 3 are odd, but zero is odd? I guess I don't really see the difference.

[Oling_Roachinen]

And from my perspective, if either mrkajz44 or Starseed are host, they would have been certainly sweating yesterday because they couldn't have known if I was coming or not. But, again, I'm more afraid that they didn't care who got lynched.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And from my perspective, if either mrkajz44 or Starseed are host, they would have been certainly sweating yesterday because they couldn't have known if I was coming or not. But, again, I'm more afraid that they didn't care who got lynched.

Being that there has been minimal activity for 48 hours, I'd guess your concerns are valid.

[mrkajz44]

A question for those who have moved off Starseed recently (Pux, Party and now Timbo). What has changed your mind? I guess I'm asking because apart from his mega-post, nothing much has changed in my mind for Starseed.

I've already stated already that I think the massive posts talking about everyone is a good way to hide as there is so much information, its easy to get lost in the wall of text. I'm still a bit puzzled why he left Pux off the list, and he didn't address that in his answer to me - just seems like something odd to do, though I suppose I understand it given Pux's claim.

It's always tough when people unvote without much context, so that's why I'm asking. I guess I'm trying to pick out what changed between their votes and unvotes and I'm not seeing much personally.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

We've only had three lynches, so I don't think its overly weird. Here's devo's list from the start of day 4:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1266

There distribution is as follows:

2 voted for all 3 lynches
6 voted for 2 lynches
4 votes for 1 lynch
1 voted for 0 lynches

So I am on one end of the scale with no votes for the lynched, but there are also two for all 3 lynches, the other end of the scale. No one seems to think that votes for all 3 are odd, but zero is odd? I guess I don't really see the difference.

Why should you find it odd, you're the one making your decisions. I find it odd because it seems too convenient.

You voted for girly day 1, then on day 2 you used GGG's reasoning to find a way to not vote her. Day 3 if I am remembering correctly you used someone else's reasoning to become suspicious of me.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

At this point I'm not even a little bit confident you're scum, but out of principle I'll have to vote for you for the remainder of the game if you don't attempt to answer my questions.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I think I would prefer voting for PE over Mrkajz44.

But Devo22, Peanut, Squiggs96 and Bizaro86 are probably higher on my list then either.

I think a shift to Devo22 could make for an interesting day.

What the... You're not even a little bit confident Squiggs is scum, but suddenly he's in your top 4. The vote for Squiggs yesterday was essentially a waste. The "principle" vote makes no sense when you admit yourself you don't think he's host. Then you suddenly about-face and he's in your top 4? This is raising all kinds of red flags for me. I'm also pretty confused about the Seb crusade you went on with Squiggs. I think it's widely acknowledged that Seb was basically confirmed town after the Mazrim exchange. And the vehement denial of being an investigation target for the government agent, even after announcing you had received the spore and were not turned. Of course the GA should investigate if you admit you had the spore. If you weren't turned it wouldn't be an issue.



unvote
vote: Oling_Roachinen

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

A question for those who have moved off Starseed recently (Pux, Party and now Timbo). What has changed your mind? I guess I'm asking because apart from his mega-post, nothing much has changed in my mind for Starseed.

I've already stated already that I think the massive posts talking about everyone is a good way to hide as there is so much information, its easy to get lost in the wall of text. I'm still a bit puzzled why he left Pux off the list, and he didn't address that in his answer to me - just seems like something odd to do, though I suppose I understand it given Pux's claim.

It's always tough when people unvote without much context, so that's why I'm asking. I guess I'm trying to pick out what changed between their votes and unvotes and I'm not seeing much personally.

I think I gave plenty of context for my unvote in the post, but to re-state it, I agree with oling's logic that it's been so quiet in here due to the hosts being happy to let him get lynched.