I'm not denying climate change. I'm critical of people writing articles that might be valid in the same way they used to write stupid stuff in the 80's, 90's...." NYC will be under water by 2015" sounds a lot like "snow packs vanishing at record speed" in this article. "recent record dry spells in some areas" "drought across the VAST region of western Canada". You juxtapose that with three years of record and above average snow packs and I'm no longer intersted in this stupid story.
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I'm not denying climate change. I'm critical of people writing articles that might be valid in the same way they used to write stupid stuff in the 80's, 90's...." NYC will be under water by 2015" sounds a lot like "snow packs vanishing at record speed" in this article. "recent record dry spells in some areas" "drought across the VAST region of western Canada". You juxtapose that with three years of record and above average snow packs and I'm no longer intersted in this stupid story.
You do understand though that while snow pack in one part of the world "slightly higher" than normal does not really say much about climate as a whole.
I live in Iceland, our glaciers are retreating fast, we have a lot of scientists going to Greenland who have been sounding alarm bells at the rate of melt going up, and the same has been said of Antarctica in which massive ice shelves the size of Texas are starting to fall apart.
So your argument is that "some guys in the 80s and 90s" said some stuff that was silly, therefore we shouldn't listen to the overwhelming evidence now facing us.
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It rained last month quite a few times. All over night. The CRD watering restrictions every year in May.
If you say it rained over night a few times, I'll have to trust you on that. All I know is I haven't seen it rain in a long long time, the grass is done a month early, and we had the driest May in history (? - if not, it must be pretty damn close).
It's definitely not normal weather. It is totally normal to go without (day) rain in July/August, but not in June, and definitely not in May.
The thread is about drought in western Canada, and Victoria definitely qualifies in that regard over the past 1.5 months.
Also, there are no signs that the drought is going to stop. We may not get (more than overnight trace amounts of) rain until September or October.
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It's an El Nino year, this is "normal". If you were around here in 1998, you'd remember it being far drier by the end of the summer. I don't think we got virtually any precip from sept to almost December. Summer warmth stayed well into Nov. Try not to panic, we aren't going to experience it every year.
Man, humans sure like to believe that the here and now is what will always be. Climate is always in flux.
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You do understand though that while snow pack in one part of the world "slightly higher" than normal does not really say much about climate as a whole.
I live in Iceland, our glaciers are retreating fast, we have a lot of scientists going to Greenland who have been sounding alarm bells at the rate of melt going up, and the same has been said of Antarctica in which massive ice shelves the size of Texas are starting to fall apart.
So your argument is that "some guys in the 80s and 90s" said some stuff that was silly, therefore we shouldn't listen to the overwhelming evidence now facing us.
Sure. Write an article about that and it might make sense. This article is about western Canada, the area between Kananaskis and Jasper even more specifically. And it's about snow pack, not glaciers; one single year of snow pack in particular. So you are in fact correct....it doesn't say much about climate as a whole. My argument that some guys in the 80's and 90's said some silly stuff isn't even close to my actual argument.
I see with my own eyes the retreat of our local glaciers. Rae glacier has a swimming pool at the bottom now. Robertson is half a kilometer from where it used to be. So some dumb article telling me stalled out weather systems are going to burn me alive, when the same stalled out weather system almost drowned us like rats two years ago, annoys me.
So some dumb article telling me stalled out weather systems are going to burn me alive, when the same stalled out weather system almost drowned us like rats two years ago, annoys me.
Sure but remember a lot of articles are journalists doing their thing, one of the biggest issues is that what scientists are saying is so often misrepresented and often even taken out of context.
We can predict quite a bit, its all bad, but how it will play out specifically is very hard, just that more extreme weather, weird weather and of course rising oceans are all easy to agree upon.
Just don't let science journalism which is at its best a way to communicate science and at its worst its sensationalism and misrepresenting science, which is too often the case.
Michael Specter covers this in his Ted talks on science denialism.
Maybe I missed something but when has the climate of the earth not changed over it's existence?
One of the more commonly misunderstood ideas of the deniers is pretty easily answered.
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Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – were involved in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When CO2 levels jumped rapidly, the global warming that resulted was highly disruptive and sometimes caused mass extinctions. Humans today are emitting prodigious quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past.
Abrupt vs slow change.
Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.
But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped abruptly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today.
Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change.
So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.
IIRC, climate change does predict more winter precipitation because warmer air holds more moisture. 2013 and 2014 were great years for skiing, but 2015 seemed below average to me.
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IIRC, climate change does predict more winter precipitation because warmer air holds more moisture. 2013 and 2014 were great years for skiing, but 2015 seemed below average to me.
2015 was the worst skiing I've seen in forty years. Only thing that kept resorts open was altitude or snow making. There was enough moisture but it was usually rain.
I don't think anyone is denying climate change. People are just taking issue with the poor evidence and slant used in this article.
Our snow pack is low because of El Nino. This article doesn't mention it at all. It doesn't mention the record snow packs recently. It's just a skewed article that's nit picking statistics for it's own argument and ignoring other important information.
Just cause we're saying "This "drought" isn't a direct result of climate change and is more so caused by El Nino" doesn't mean we don't believe that climate change is a problem.
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2015 was the worst skiing I've seen in forty years. Only thing that kept resorts open was altitude or snow making. There was enough moisture but it was usually rain.
Overall conditions wise, yes it was awful. I hit 4 powder days personally and had the best season for snow of my life
If there's one thing I've learned in my 25 years in Alberta, it's that farmers will find something to bitch about in every situation imaginable.
Exactly, and it's not like they're livelihoods depend on the weather, so they're obviously just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Plus, who cares if a drought ruins their ability to produce food. We're city people, we eat the city food, they can figure out how to get more farm food!!
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Exactly, and it's not like they're livelihoods depend on the weather, so they're obviously just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Plus, who cares if a drought ruins their ability to produce food. We're city people, we eat the city food, they can figure out how to get more farm food!!
My post was obviously tongue in cheek, but I come from a farming family. These guys have got complaining down to an art form. You wouldn't believe it!
There's either "not enough rain, too much rain, too much sun, not enough sunlight, enough rain but not at the right time, too windy etc...."
Even during the record harvest last year they were wingeing about various things. It's just what they do.
My post was obviously tongue in cheek, but I come from a farming family. These guys have got complaining down to an art form. You wouldn't believe it!
There's either "not enough rain, too much rain, too much sun, not enough sunlight, enough rain but not at the right time, too windy etc...."
Even during the record harvest last year they were wingeing about various things. It's just what they do.
Zarley is correct, I have some friends that make their living solely on farming.
He is the first to say that farmer's complain, it is there thing.
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Exactly, and it's not like they're livelihoods depend on the weather, so they're obviously just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Plus, who cares if a drought ruins their ability to produce food. We're city people, we eat the city food, they can figure out how to get more farm food!!
