CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[dissentowner]

So can we assume whomever the GA investigated was not a turned passenger as nobody died? Jesus, we really dropped the ball on that last day. That can't happen.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So can we assume whomever the GA investigated was not a turned passenger as nobody died? Jesus, we really dropped the ball on that last day. That can't happen.

Yes, if no one dies the government agent investigated a passenger. The problem is if the government agent investigated Bizaro only the government agent would know that Bizaro is unturned and even if the agent could disclose the info the person still could be host so unlike a regular cop no help to us right now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

#### you Oling. You ####ing #######.

Ha.

It was three hours to the deadline, Starseed had 3 votes and Mrkajz44 had given his death post - I thought it was over. It was also 7 on a Friday and I had other commitments. Sorry to burst your bubble but I simply wasn't here, and I almost have to take it as a compliment that you thought I somehow orchestrated a tie but there was no way I could have predicted the gongshow that was about to go down.

You, Squiggs96, SebC, Starseed, Dissentowner, GGG and bizaro86 all voted/changed votes after my last post. Mrkajz44, Timbo, Peanut and Party Elephant were also around. Any single one of you guys could have prevented the tie as much as I could have.

Anyways, I didn't get the spore.

Vote: Squiggs96

I'll look at changing my vote if someone does come forward with having sent the spore.

[Party Elephant]

I'm not sure what to make of bizarro's actions that round. This was his point of view before the deadline:

Originally Posted by bizaro86

MrKajz is already in the lead, so he doesn't need my vote to get lynched. However, I'm concerned that there could be an unvote for mrkajz and a vote for lego/starseed at the end of the day, that would have switched them in the vote order (at the time of my post) with starseed getting lynched.

Thus, my preference would be for mrkajz/party elephant to be one-two in votes.

Now that you've switched off starseed to mrkajz, that is less likely.

Also, I see the link being more from party's side, which makes him the more likely host in my opinion. For example, he voted starseed second, and he's the one with the lame defense. Thus, it's possible that party is host and mrkajz isn't, and party is trying to latch on to someone he knows is town and who looks likely to get lynched. Then he can get one the other hosts to point to the link later and say "they're linked and mrkajz was town so probably party is too."

Finally, I think party has been the quieter of the pair, so even if they're both host (which is the most likely scenario, imo) there's a greater chance he is the captain, which would add value to his lynch compared to getting either the engineer or second in command.

So, he was highly suspicious of a link between me and mrkajz, although the link was "more on my side" (however that works) so he was less willing to vote for mrkajz. Still states, without providing evidence as is his MO, that us both being hosts is the most likely scenario. Goes away for a while.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Sorry, have a sick kid frantically trying to catch up by deadline

^13 minutes to deadline. More than enough time to get his vote in.

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

If your stance hasn't changed on anything wouldn't it make sense for you to switch to your number 2 suspect mrkajz?

My reply, two minutes later.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I'm torn here. On the one hand my suspicion of party seems well founded, and he does seem to be linked to mrkajz. On the other I have been less sure about mrkajz and his death post seems to wine to me. I had Lego in my sights the whole game, but he was always my second choice, just enough off the radar. Have I missed anything key the last couple of hours?

Some serious flip flopping going on in this post with him now saying starseed could be scum. So apparently he's ok with lynching either one of them and we're still 7 minutes to the deadline. In the time it took him to post this he could have easily cast the deciding vote, but instead he managed to stall for another ten minutes.

I believe him about the sick kid, I mean I don't think anybody in this game would be devious enough to falsely claim something like that, but I'm having a hard time believing he came into the thread 13 minutes before the deadline with one of his top two suspects one vote away from the lynch, managed to post twice, but still ran out the clock without voting.

I don't know what to make of it. Care to comment bizarro?

[Party Elephant]

vote: starseed
I'd like to keep the pressure on from last round. I think we were hot on the trail before the no lynch.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

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While I agree that there was plenty of blame to go around, and a fair bit lands on me, you should know by now that things can change late. If anyone is going to be away at future deadlines, please let us know in advance. That particular surprise is not one I welcome.

[Party Elephant]

So there is a very real possibility of two turned now. Wonderful.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SebC

While I agree that there was plenty of blame to go around, and a fair bit lands on me, you should know by now that things can change late. If anyone is going to be away at future deadlines, please let us know in advance. That particular surprise is not one I welcome.

You knew in advance though. If I was here I would said something one of the multiple times you asked.

Enough with the tricking the scum plan, they are the ones who get to coordinate, they are the ones who get to take advantage of the confusion.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You knew in advance though. If I was here I would said something one of the multiple times you asked.

Enough with the tricking the scum plan, they are the ones who get to coordinate, they are the ones who get to take advantage of the confusion.

In this particular case, I don't blame things on your absence. But what if, for instance, we had decided to lynch you and you weren't around for a death post? I'm happy to advance timelines to accomodate specific absences but not as a general policy.

And I'm not trying to trick scum - I'm avoiding early direction, but I'm not misdirecting.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by SebC

But what if, for instance, we had decided to lynch you and you weren't around for a death post?

Except there was a death post.

We've lost all reason for death post when we hop off the wagon for any vanilla reveal. We're given 5 days, there's no reason to have your vote come 2 hours before the deadline.

[SebC]

I think that what we got out of the late movement, other than the no lynch, could be of more value than a dead confirmed townie - particularly since had we lynched, we might have got that as well.

[devo22]

That deadline was an epic fail, I'm sure the hosts haven't stoppedlaughing ever since. We need a breakthrough today.

vote bizaro86

I'm sorry if you really had to deal with a sick kid, but you still posted twice within the last 20 minutes before the deadline. A "vote ..." would have definitely been possible to include there and it would have saved us from this mess. We don't have any other weapons to kill scum, so a no-lynch is completely unacceptable in my opinion. The way things happened, I think it's possible that bizaro intentionally let it go to overtime.

Also, I am 100 percent sure that one of mrkajz and starseed is scum and was saved on the deadline. Bizaro and Oling could both be involved here.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by devo22

That deadline was an epic fail, I'm sure the hosts haven't stoppedlaughing ever since. We need a breakthrough today.

vote bizaro86

I'm sorry if you really had to deal with a sick kid, but you still posted twice within the last 20 minutes before the deadline. A "vote ..." would have definitely been possible to include there and it would have saved us from this mess. We don't have any other weapons to kill scum, so a no-lynch is completely unacceptable in my opinion. The way things happened, I think it's possible that bizaro intentionally let it go to overtime.

Also, I am 100 percent sure that one of mrkajz and starseed is scum and was saved on the deadline. Bizaro and Oling could both be involved here.

If you're 100% sure, why not vote for one them, then? I'm not going to fault somebody for a puking kid and trying to catch up before voting. He posted his vote at 10:03 to try and get the lynch. It sucks, obviously, but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. I don't think somebody would lie about a barfing kid and an angry wife.

But I do agree with you in that at least one scum was likely saved at that deadline. I want to keep the heat on.

Vote: Starseed

[Oling_Roachinen]

If you read through bizaro86's posts he had presented a connection between mrkajz44 and Party Elephant. His vote for Party Elephant was, in part, to test that link that he thought existed.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

This was in response to HG asking about a potential Party/mrkajz link, (which seems credible). Party pointed to a vote/unvote sequence that seems scummy on its own, commenting that he's knows it can look like scum. Notice he doesn't actually deny a mrkajz link.

Finally, I think the voting pattern is highly suspicious. MrKajz votes starseed, and the next vote only a few posts down the page is a Party Elephant vote for starseed. That essentially confirms the link, in my opinion, as they both latch on to the person most likely to get lynched other than themselves.

Party Elephants couched sort-of-denials of the link seem very suspicious to me when confronted with reasonable evidence of a link. My experience from the game when I was mafia was that it was actually pretty hard to out-and-out lie when typing something, especially when directly accused with the truth. I can see why they would be panicking, because if we link them and lynch one who turns host, that's a guaranteed host lynch two days in a row, which would get us 2/3rds of the way to our win condition.

He even presented a situation that he was afraid of; votes switching to Starseed at the deadline:

Originally Posted by bizaro86

MrKajz is already in the lead, so he doesn't need my vote to get lynched. However, I'm concerned that there could be an unvote for mrkajz and a vote for lego/starseed at the end of the day, that would have switched them in the vote order (at the time of my post) with starseed getting lynched.

And yet when his fear came to fruition, he wasn't sure who to vote for.

Out of principle my vote will remain with Squiggs96 as I'm not a fan of what I believe is him deflecting on the question about why he didn't include SebC on his people-who-the-town-believe-are-likely-confirmed-town list.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

#### you Oling. You ####ing #######.

Regardless of anyone's alignment this post is not acceptable. Especially considering that you have in the past accused people of bullying.

Instead of sitting around whining about how Friday went I am going to go back and do some reading and see if anything stands out.

[Oling_Roachinen]

If Squiggs96 wants to actually have a discussion without getting bogged down by semantics and accusations of twisting of words, I could move to Bizaro86 as I found it suspicious that he was so sure of that link, was afraid of the vote shifting to Starseed, and yet didn't vote for Mrkajz44 when he first had the chance.

[GGG]

Im going back to Part as my first choice.

How many people were aware that we needed to get to hammer and not just a majority and that the votes were locked in in the OT phase.

Unless all three scum were on one wagon i doubt there was scum in mrkajz starseed. As one would have just unvoted to ensure lynch. And it wouldn't have been suspicious.

So could all three scum be on the starseed lego wagon.

[GGG]

vote party elephant

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

Im going back to Part as my first choice.

How many people were aware that we needed to get to hammer and not just a majority and that the votes were locked in in the OT phase.

Unless all three scum were on one wagon i doubt there was scum in mrkajz starseed. As one would have just unvoted to ensure lynch. And it wouldn't have been suspicious.

So could all three scum be on the starseed lego wagon.

Everyone probably should have been aware that we needed hammer in OT, at 9:34 mrkajz even quoted the rule from Mazrim's first post.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

For greater clarity on sudden death. Only lasts 30 minutes and hammer must be reached.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If Squiggs96 wants to actually have a discussion without getting bogged down by semantics and accusations of twisting of words, I could move to Bizaro86 as I found it suspicious that he was so sure of that link, was afraid of the vote shifting to Starseed, and yet didn't vote for Mrkajz44 when he first had the chance.

Sorry about that. I was under a pretty high level of stress and was going to try and read through the posts I'd missed and go through my thoughts before voting. I usually like to take my time and talk/think through all the angles, especially when it's effectively me making the decision for the whole town. There were obviously arguments for both sides, or they wouldn't have both got so many votes.

I apologize not getting my vote in on time, I thought I had ten more minutes to think it through and vote, but life got in the way during those ten minutes.

As for me being the cause of the tie, I would echo olings comment. Literally any other person could have either showed up and voted (oling) or switched their vote to ensure a lynch (every other player).

So three scum may have orchestrated a tie, but the other ~12 (depending if turned) townies allowed it to happen.