CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

The scummy moves I see was when HG was in the lead. Squiggs, Timbo and Lego/Startseed all voted for me when HG was in the lead, they didn't necessarily move off HG to me. Party's move off me to ECF I see as a confused townie. I also see devo as confused town for agreeing with Seb's analysis of ECF. Seb was never on anyone in the first place.

I voted for you because I was on Lego/starseed. No one voted with me. I wouldn't vote ECF because I believed him to be town (which he was). I wouldn't vote for HG because I wanted to see how the HG/diss argument continued. If I wanted my vote to matter I wanted to keep both of those two in the game. I tried multiple times to get people on the Lego vote. The only time I ever got support for it was the next day when he was switched for starseed and I was then voting for you on Day 4. I feel you are the best option at this time. My last post has almost convinced me to vote Oling right now, but I won't get any support there. I'm not sure voting for someone because they are newly inserted into the game is a great reason. I'm not saying starseed isn't a host, but I don't want to vote for him simply because he's new. If Drury has beaten starseed to replying to Mazrim I would have voted for her in a second.

[GirlySports]

Vote Count

Hasn't Voted (1): SebC

mrkajz44 (6): squiggs96, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, dissentowner, devo22, Oling_Roachinen
Starseed (3): Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant
Party Elephant (3): bizaro86 , Starseed, GGG
devo22 (1) : Puxlut


The deadline is Friday, June 12th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Based on the above assumptions the captain passed the spore to someone last night. Oling was not turned prior to Day 4. Since many people see Oling and Puxlut as town, they are going to get some more weight on their posts. If I'm the host, there is no chance I waste a day by sending the spore to Pux. I would want to have a chance to turn someone.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

You and Puxlut seem to have as much confirmed town status as anybody around here. I stated it in my post, and you confirmed it here. I believe it would be a good idea to send it to a confirmed townie. Since it's a waste to send it to Pux, you are the only other option. I am definitely suggesting you may have received it.

These are your words Squiggs96. You put me in the same list as Puxlut, and suspiciously didn't include SebC.

I also like how if you were host you wouldn't waste a day sending the spore to Puxlut, but have hypothesized multiple times that hosts are sending it to one another or something to confuse town...

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Vote: Squiggs96

You started this day off trying to get me investigated, I can understand it if you are town because it makes sense. Yeah there's a good chance that the host could send the spore to "confirmed" town hoping to get them on their side...but I don't see how you would be leaving SebC off this list.

You also accused me of Hockeyguy15 of being suspicious for both reading your post the same way. The simple fact is we weren't working together, you made an ambiguous post that we both took to mean the same thing.

I haven't been turned, I don't know why you have been so persistent on getting me investigated while conveniently not mentioning SebC. Is it because he turned? I was hoping to wait until we find out whether someone claims to have the spore tomorrow.

But now you're accusing me of twisting your words:
"I believe it would be a good idea to send it to a confirmed townie. Since it's a waste to send it to Pux, you are the only other option."

What did you mean "other option" if you weren't talking about confirmed townie? I've used quotation marks because there's always that chance, but that was hardly twisting your words..

And of course any passenger, when there's a chance to be a turned, would prefer not to be investigated because they know they aren't the turn. That's just fact.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Sorry GirlySports, always ruining your count :P

Why would you pull your vote off that already has enough votes to be deadline lynched to someone that wasn't even on the list of voted?

[GGG]

Oling what's with your pattern of late changes to non front runners. Is spore talk really enough to push him over your previous reasons for MrKajz? It's about the third time you've done it.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

These are your words Squiggs96. You put me in the same list as Puxlut, and suspiciously didn't include SebC.

No. No. No. I never said I confirmed you as town. Here is the full chain:

In post #1232 I stated some assumptions as why I thought you might have received the spore. I have no idea if the assumptions are correct, but I needed to make some in order to look into a scenario. It included this sentence:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Since many people see Oling and Puxlut as town, they are going to get some more weight on their posts.

I never once said I see you as town. You reply with:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

My issue with Squiggs96 so far today is that he seemed to try and suggest where the spore had gone. The Host would, very likely, be sending the spore to either someone who we wouldn't expect to get it or someone that is 'confirmed' town to remove that status. There's always a possibility of mind games, but I'm wary that he was trying to influence the Government Agent's search. Right now (I know) there's a slightly less than a 50/50 chance a Turned even exists, 0 if they gave it to Puxlut. I believe we're better off dealing with whether someone claims to have received the spore tomorrow than focusing too heavy on it today. But when we receive or not receive information about the spore tomorrow that suggests someone did turn, than I would be even more suspicious of Squiggs96 action here.

I for sure was trying to see where the spore had gone. Just because you have a different theory on where the hosts would send it, doesn't make your theory automatically right and mine automatically wrong. I wanted to have the discussion on who the GA should investigate. I still do. If you wait until Day 5 for this then you've missed your opportunity to get out a turned player (if one exists) right after they've turned.

I then reply with:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

You and Puxlut seem to have as much confirmed town status as anybody around here. I stated it in my post, and you confirmed it here. I believe it would be a good idea to send it to a confirmed townie. Since it's a waste to send it to Pux, you are the only other option.

It is based on the previous few posts that were all made within an hour's time. I am saying you two had the most confirmed status by others, not me. You are saying that you don't think you would have received the spore, as you are implying you have confirmed status.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I also like how if you were host you wouldn't waste a day sending the spore to Puxlut, but have hypothesized multiple times that hosts are sending it to one another or something to confuse town...

This one's easy. If the hosts send it to themselves, it creates confusion and they still control it. If they send it to Pux, it wastes a day and the town controls the spore, assuming Pux is indeed the Anomaly.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You started this day off trying to get me investigated, I can understand it if you are town because it makes sense. Yeah there's a good chance that the host could send the spore to "confirmed" town hoping to get them on their side...but I don't see how you would be leaving SebC off this list.

Another easy one. I'm town. I think it's a possibility if you are town that you have the spore. I'm not obsessed with Seb. You keep bringing that up, but I don't need to include him. And this is also what I'm getting at. Most people are placing Seb as confirmed town. I don't. I know what happened, but that doesn't mean I'm interpreting it the same way. ECF died warning of this. I had many concerns that were the same as his. This is one of them.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You also accused me of Hockeyguy15 of being suspicious for both reading your post the same way. The simple fact is we weren't working together, you made an ambiguous post that we both took to mean the same thing.

I thought something was suspicious. You replied like dick. HG replied like a normal person. I moved on.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I haven't been turned, I don't know why you have been so persistent on getting me investigated while conveniently not mentioning SebC. Is it because he turned? I was hoping to wait until we find out whether someone claims to have the spore tomorrow.

You keep stating you aren't turned. You might not be. Last game you kept mentioning you were town. You weren't. Forgive me if I don't take your word as gospel. Seb might be turned. That might be why he's silent. It's very possible. I haven't written it off. I don't mind exploring it later.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But now you're accusing me of twisting your words:
"I believe it would be a good idea to send it to a confirmed townie. Since it's a waste to send it to Pux, you are the only other option."

What did you mean "other option" if you weren't talking about confirmed townie? I've used quotation marks because there's always that chance, but that was hardly twisting your words..

I've shown how you did it above.

[Timbo]

Oling has caused a spike in the scum detection meter. I do not like it at all. Something stinks here.

[dissentowner]

Ya, it was interesting how squiggs suggested the GA scan Oling and it made him defensive and he switches his vote. I think the GA should definitely look at Oling now for sure. Sounds like a worried turned passenger to me.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is spore talk really enough to push him over your previous reasons for MrKajz?

No. But the accusation of twisting his words is. I'm playing this game differently this time. Last game I wanted to cause discontent within the town for obvious reasons, this time Squiggs96 is still using that against me. Whether it's intentional (i.e. scum) or because I was that big of a ###### last game, I can't say for certain. Conversely, mrkajz44 was able to have a discussion without being condescending and insulting.

If you read Squiggs96 early posts today, there was no twisting of his words. He implies that I am "confirmed" town multiple times:

I believe it would be a good idea to send it to a confirmed townie. Since it's a waste to send it to Pux, you are the only other option

There's only one way to read that. Yes, he can argue that no one is confirmed town until the end of the game but he was very explicit that I was at least just below (if not on par) with Puxlut and somehow ahead of SebC. It's, allegedly, the reasoning he wants me investigated but he took insult to me using "confirmed town." He's been aggressive all day with me, yet his original argument is that I got the spore because I was (let's put it) the most confirmed town not named Puxlut, somehow. Either he's been caught in a lie and that's his reasoning for being aggressive, or he doesn't understand how people will read his posts, in which case he needs to be more explicit with them or not so accusational if people read them differently.

And whether he knows it or not, he put me in a terrible spot by persistently arguing I should be investigated. I'm still just town. There's the possibility of a turned. I don't want the GA to waste a day targeting me if it means that this potential turned lives...of course the more I argue the likelier I am to be investigated. And now he's even suggesting the possibility I am host so it doesn't even matter when I live.

He said last vote was scum driven, but instead of voting for Hockeyguy15 or Mrkajz44 he voted for Peanut. He called, mistakenly, mrkajz44 as town and while a stretch I'm always going to be 'wary' of those mistakes because I was always worried about making them last game.

What will change my mind is if Puxlut or I end up with the spore tonight. Then I will no for certain he didn't have any ulterior motives pushing me to get investigated but the more he pushed the more I thought he was looking to keep a turned player safe. If Mrkajz44 ends up scum, then I will also know that it wasn't a Freudian slip.

[GGG]

Oling who would you investigate?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling who would you investigate?

At this point, and I think it would be obvious if read my posts. SebC.

And that's only because of how persistent Squiggs96 had been about getting me investigated because (others) considered me town while he didn't mention SebC.

If SebC died, easy lynch vote for me.

[GirlySports]

Vote Count

Hasn't Voted (1): SebC

mrkajz44 (5): squiggs96, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, dissentowner, devo22
Starseed (3): Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant
Party Elephant (3): bizaro86 , Starseed, GGG
devo22 (1) : Puxlut
squiggs96 (1): Oling_Roachinen


The deadline is Friday, June 12th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

At this point, and I think it would be obvious if read my posts. SebC.

And that's only because of how persistent Squiggs96 had been about getting me investigated because (others) considered me town while he didn't mention SebC.

If SebC died, easy lynch vote for me.

That's where I thought you'd go I just don't like assuming things.

Yah... you were a bit of an ####### last game. This game? Not as much. HG is the new you. But since my last big push for him, he's been pretty low key? Wonder why that is?
If I was GA, I would investigate you. Saying that you got it the first night, it's a small lead, but a lead none the less. Anyone else would be a crap shoot. Maybe one of the higher posters? I don't know. That's just my 2 cents.
The only one in the top 3 for votes that I might change my vote to would be starseed (sorry mason buddy)but Lego was on my scum list and I haven't got the same well thought out posts from SS. You were one of the smartest players last game and I just haven't seen the same logical, theory provoking posts as last time.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Conversely, mrkajz44 was able to have a discussion without being condescending and insulting.

That's rich. To be clear, so my words aren't twisted, I am not saying that mrkajz was condescending and insulting. I think his posting style is very pleasant and I enjoy it. He might be the nicest host here.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If you read Squiggs96 early posts today, there was no twisting of his words. He implies that I am "confirmed" town multiple times:

There's only one way to read that.

Multiple times I have stated that is the general thought of you, by people here. It's not mine. If you can't understand that, I can't help you. Here's a quote you seem to ignore:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I have doubts that you are town. I think it's possible you may be a host.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And whether he knows it or not, he put me in a terrible spot by persistently arguing I should be investigated. I'm still just town. There's the possibility of a turned. I don't want the GA to waste a day targeting me if it means that this potential turned lives...of course the more I argue the likelier I am to be investigated. And now he's even suggesting the possibility I am host so it doesn't even matter when I live.

How is this a bad spot? If you are town, you are fine. If you are host, you are fine. The only way it hurts you is if you are town.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He said last vote was scum driven, but instead of voting for Hockeyguy15 or Mrkajz44 he voted for Peanut. He called, mistakenly, mrkajz44 as town and while a stretch I'm always going to be 'wary' of those mistakes because I was always worried about making them last game.

What will change my mind is if Puxlut or I end up with the spore tonight. Then I will no for certain he didn't have any ulterior motives pushing me to get investigated but the more he pushed the more I thought he was looking to keep a turned player safe. If Mrkajz44 ends up scum, then I will also know that it wasn't a Freudian slip.

I'm not worried about making mistakes. They happen. I am not trying to keep a turned player safe. I played too cautiously last time, until it was too late. I'm making sure I'm involved in the game and if I have a theory, I'd like to explore it. I don't think Pux will get the spore tonight. If you are town, and if the spore was passed from a host last night, I think there is a very real possibility that you receive it tonight. I'd go at least 75% probability if the facts are what I described in that scenario. If you get the spore tonight, I assume it goes to Pux. Actually you might send it to me because I've ruffled your feathers. What will be interesting is where it goes after that.

[GGG]

Squiggs first post where he claims that this isn't an allusion to his alignment

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Alright all you vanilla beans. Let's get ready to vanquish some scum. I'm heading out to the golf course in a bit, but will be back on here tonight. My initial guess is you'd find out immediately once you have the spore. I don't see them being hit with it after playing a whole day in game play.

I think the thing I'm most excited for is I don't have to talk in the third person.

Seb poses the following question with the post truncated to just the vanilla beans line.

Originally Posted by SebC

Since this is already out in the open, I'll point out that I read this as an alignment hint as well. Those of you in other games - is this something squiggs96 should have been expected to know is a bad idea?

His response is

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I don't get why Seb would have only selected the first sentence in my first post, since the second sentence goes with the first. The only breadcrumb was me stating my vanilla position. This has been pointed out by me already.

How does let's vanquish some scum relate to vanilla beans


Squigss can you provide a little more comment on this. Of all the stuff you've said this game this first post sequence bugs me.

[GGG]

I'll say this again but send the spore to Seb if you get it tonight. His zero involvement is hurting the town. Don't waste it on pux as she is confirmed town until she gets the spore once which she will tell us if it happens. Real confirmed townies at end game are of a huge value.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Multiple times I have stated that is the general thought of you, by people here. It's not mine. If you can't understand that, I can't help you. Here's a quote you seem to ignore:

You're arguing over semantics. The whole argument was that you would give the spore to me because I was, mostly, confirmed town. Right? Whether it was you or not, it doesn't matter, those were your words.

My issue with that argument, was I think SebC was more confirmed town and he was never mentioned early on with you. So why?

More importantly, I didn't want to discuss the Government Agent because no matter what it puts me in a bad spot trying to defend myself in not being investigated. And it removes focus from actually hunting the hosts. And it might be all for nothing if Puxlut had the spore anyways, or someone else comes out and says they got it and we believe them.

Originally Posted by Squiggs96

How is this a bad spot? If you are town, you are fine. If you are host, you are fine. The only way it hurts you is if you are town.

Obviously you mean turned here, but I think your mistake is correct. I'm not turned, I know this. You can't know that if you are town, I understand that. But I also know there's a chance that turned exists. So if Government Agent checks me guess who lives? The turned...thereby hurting town.

There should be only three people who would be 'happy' with being investigated tonight. If they want to come out and say who they are, we can end this game quickly.

Originally Posted by Squiggs96

Actually you might send it to me because I've ruffled your feathers.

Why? I'm still trying to win this thing. If I got the spore, I'll know you weren't trying to protect a turned player.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

How does let's vanquish some scum relate to vanilla beans


Squigss can you provide a little more comment on this. Of all the stuff you've said this game this first post sequence bugs me.

In Smash Bros. there was a big push by people to reveal their characters. I took a while to get mine out there, so I wanted to make sure I had my alignment out there in the first post. Of the different types of passengers, I am a vanilla. I didn't want to say Alright all you vanillas, so I added the word beans in there. I thought it was fun to think of us like vanilla beans.

The second part is because in my opening post in Smash I made a reference to wanting to kill the scum. I wanted to make a similar start here as well. When Seb asked why I posted it, he was implying I was calling other people vanilla beans. When you read it with the second sentence it shows I am talking to my teammates and we are off to fight the scum together.