Iginla leads Avs in scoring after 70 games

[Phanuthier]

Ya I don't mean to troll but since you said it, I wonder if he would go to Edmonton to play with McDavid.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you can't see how easily Iginla and his agent leveraged Calgary into trading him to the destination he wanted, I don't think there's anything that will convince you.

And if you can't be bothered to read the entire discussion and figure out the context, don't waste my time by responding to me.

As I clearly said, Iggy wanted Pittsburgh first and when he found out they had what the Flames considered a good offer, he ensured he went to Pittsburgh. Since that is your argument as well, I have no idea what you are arguing about.

What I am saying is that there is no evidence that Iginla would have refused any trade anywhere else if Pittsburgh had not produced an offer the Flames found acceptable.

And yes, I very much expect to see cited comments before I will believe otherwise. I've provided comments that come directly from Iginla. If you and Jiri need to synthesize an argument without support to justify some form of petty reason to attack the guy, then all I can say is that is not Iginla that such an argument reflects poorly on.

Like I said earlier, to believe what Jiri is arguing is to believe that literally every thing written about Iginla's personality is a lie. And I'm not surprised that this point was so quickly ignored.

[Vulcan]

One thing I remember is that there was talk that Crosby phoned Iginla prior to the trade, which of course he denied.

“There’s some truth to that,” Iginla said, when MacLean asked if Crosby helped sway his decision. “I did hear that Sid — I didn’t talk to him before — but he’d put in a good word and I really enjoyed playing with him at the Olympics and getting the chance to meet him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03...n_2986245.html

My feelings are the Iginla ship has sailed. Yeah I liked him while he was here but maybe there is a reason the Penguins washed out and the Bruins washed out and the Avalanche after winning their division without Iginla finished last with him.

I'd be very leery of re-introducing him to our team.

[CroFlames]

When I bumped the thread I was envisioning a scenario where Iggy's contract is up, and he's looking for another deal instead of retiring. I highly doubt anyone offers him multiyear, in fact there are probably only a handful of teams that offer him any deal at all when he's 40.

If that scenario happens, and Calgary has cap space, I think it would be a great idea to bring him back for one year.

I firmly believe he'll be able to contribute when he is 40 years old. And I also firmly believe his experience and general status among fans will be nothing but positives for the club in that one season.

If we ending up winning the Cup that year, well it simply would be the best story book ending their ever was (Since Lanny).

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

When I bumped the thread I was envisioning a scenario where Iggy's contract is up, and he's looking for another deal instead of retiring. I highly doubt anyone offers him multiyear, in fact there are probably only a handful of teams that offer him any deal at all when he's 40.

If that scenario happens, and Calgary has cap space, I think it would be a great idea to bring him back for one year.

I firmly believe he'll be able to contribute when he is 40 years old. And I also firmly believe his experience and general status among fans will be nothing but positives for the club in that one season.

If we ending up winning the Cup that year, well it simply would be the best story book ending their ever was (Since Lanny).

I am glad we have moved on from Iggy. Don't get me wrong, I totally respect the player. Would I want him on the flames now? Absolutely not.

All our young guys will be passing the puck to an aging star when they should be shooting. Work ethic with this team is insane. Iginla hasn't had that for about 8 years now. Bringing in Iggy to this team will turn us into Colorado! Should of spent the money signing their young guys.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Like I said earlier, to believe what Jiri is arguing is to believe that literally every thing written about Iginla's personality is a lie. And I'm not surprised that this point was so quickly ignored.

How do you expect someone to address just an absurd exaggeration. Read what you wrote there. You are basically saying to hold the opinion that Iginla exerted the type of pressure available to him with his NTC you have to believe that "literally ever thing written about Iginla's personality is a lie"

Why on earth would that be the case and how do you expect anyone to try and counter such an outlandish statement.

[MrMastodonFarm]

This is worse then the Jankowski thread.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I just have never cared for guys that chase the cup in their later years. It drove me crazy when Bourque went to the Avs - played 2 seasons - got his cup and then they retired his frickin number.
I think what is great about sports is that not every player gets a cup. Great players miss out.
I admit I really enjoyed watching Regehr get his - he was a guy that I always liked and I thought he was bang on when he was pushing the team to play a certain way.
I wouldn't be upset if Iginla wins his cup. But I wouldn't really celebrate it either.

Understandable, and that's my point. Regehr hardly contributed anything to get his ring (8 games)

Maybe he's an awesome locker room guy when Iginla isn't around?

[Traditional_Ale]

Once upon a time,
we had Iggy, Kipper, and Reg.

Now we have:

Monahan
Gaudreau
Bennett
Brodie
Giordano
Ortio

F*** yeah.

[sadora]

As a Flames fan, I obviously want to see the Flames win the cup...but having said that, and as a long time Flames fan, I would love to see Iggy retire with a Stanley Cup in his resume. Unless of course if it's with the Canucks and the Oilers...He's a great player, one that gave our organization so many great memories, and one that deserves a Stanley Cup.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Like I said earlier, to believe what Jiri is arguing is to believe that literally every thing written about Iginla's personality is a lie. And I'm not surprised that this point was so quickly ignored.

Yikes. ^This is crazy talk, friend.

Iginla held out once.
Iginla threatened to hold out a second time.
Might have Iginla threatened a third time? Very plausible

Did he? Who knows

[Lanny_McDonald]

Iginla was about Iginla. I think he had a very carefully crafted and managed public persona that Flames fans never bothered to challenged, because they wanted something to believe in when the team was so bad. There is a lot of Phil Mickelson, or the fictional David Simms, in the Iginla story. I was once in favor of bringing him back for a swan song and an honored retirement, but seeing the team completely and rapidly turn around since his departure, I'm not as enthusiastic as I once was. I don't want Iginla near this team as a player and I'm more than content letting the retirement celebration sit on the back burner and see how the next decade plays out.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Yikes. ^This is crazy talk, friend.

Iginla held out once.
Iginla threatened to hold out a second time.
Might have Iginla threatened a third time? Very plausible

Did he? Who knows

Threatened to do what? Screw himself over?

That's the argument. That is honestly the argument being made here. That Jarome Iginla was so set on going to Pittsburgh, and only Pittsburgh, that he not only lied when he gave a list of 4-5 teams as possibilities, but that he was willing to miss out on a playoff chance (at the age of 35 when he knows his career is entering its twilight) rather than play with a different top contender if the Flames didn't send him to the Pens.

Iggy looks out for #1, we all know that. But he's never been been considered duplicitous or dishonest. If Pittsburgh was literally his only choice, he would have literally given the Flames a list with one team. It was only after Pittsburgh produced an offer that the Flames found viable that he clamped down.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This is worse then the Jankowski thread.

Obviously, there is an unmet need for revival and rehashing of old unresolved controversies that is felt by many members of this forum. It's like whack-a-mole: when one reaches a state of exhaustion (see the Jankowski thread), there's always another to bring up.
When we've exhausted the Iginla trade, can we return to one of my favourites for debating?: "Be it resolved that the Brett Hull trade is the reason the Flames' Stanley Cup 'dynasty' stopped at one."

[Locke]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

For a cup, Iginla will re-sign with the Flames and play 3rd line minutes in 2 or 3 years or will go to Edmonton to play with McDavid. Book it.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Ya I don't mean to troll but since you said it, I wonder if he would go to Edmonton to play with McDavid.

Hes played with the best players in the world. McDavid is just some kid.

[Tinordi]

I was a huge Iginla fan.

Yet I became more and more convinced that he became a big problem with the team.

Call me a hater whatever.

Typing from my phone but there were bad signs that he had grown bigger than the team went above the coaches and created divisions in the locker room.

I think the best captain in the NHL stuff is mostly baseless based on what his actual teammates have said

Anyway the way in which he left was just the icing.

There is no way I want him back.

We haven't seen a flames team bust their ass like this and play for each other since early in the Iginla years.

It's what happens when a player gets bigger than the team. Just look at this thread. Fans care about one player more than the franchise. Hard for that not to matter.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Threatened to do what? Screw himself over?

That's the argument. That is honestly the argument being made here. That Jarome Iginla was so set on going to Pittsburgh, and only Pittsburgh, that he not only lied when he gave a list of 4-5 teams as possibilities, but that he was willing to miss out on a playoff chance (at the age of 35 when he knows his career is entering its twilight) rather than play with a different top contender if the Flames didn't send him to the Pens.

Iggy looks out for #1, we all know that. But he's never been been considered duplicitous or dishonest. If Pittsburgh was literally his only choice, he would have literally given the Flames a list with one team. It was only after Pittsburgh produced an offer that the Flames found viable that he clamped down.

No.
Threatened to not waive for a trade to Boston, through his agent or otherwise.
To see if the Flames would blink. Which they did.
The thing with threats, you can stand down if need be. He didn't need to.
It's entirely plausible.

[Resolute 14]

And the rest of my comment already undermines the reply you built after reading only the first sentence.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I was a huge Iginla fan.

Yet I became more and more convinced that he became a big problem with the team.

Call me a hater whatever.

Typing from my phone but there were bad signs that he had grown bigger than the team went above the coaches and created divisions in the locker room.

I think the best captain in the NHL stuff is mostly baseless based on what his actual teammates have said

Anyway the way in which he left was just the icing.

There is no way I want him back.

We haven't seen a flames team bust their ass like this and play for each other since early in the Iginla years.

It's what happens when a player gets bigger than the team. Just look at this thread. Fans care about one player more than the franchise. Hard for that not to matter.

Fans care about people that contribute to the team, especially players that perform better than any other player to ever wear the jersey. Every franchise in sports celebrates its great players, not sure why Flames fans wouldn't celebrate Iginla.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about a hockey team having to have many different pieces come together in order to succeed. Those of you acting like Iginla was the problem are ignoring management, drafting, scouting, development, coaching -- all of which were flawed aspects of the organization when Iginla was around.

I'm not even arguing that Iginla should ever come back, but this revisionist history that Iginla was some type of team cancer is sickening, and disrespectful to the franchise if anything. Its like you people didn't watch 16 years of amazing hall of fame hockey from the guy and just want to focus on the last few years where the team floundered -- mostly due to the aspects I mentioned earlier.

Just because the Flames are on the right track now doesn't mean Iginla was the problem years ago. The guy gave his career to the organization and performed as one of the best players in the world for years on end. Slandering him -- by so called fans -- is simply shameful.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

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It's what happens when a player gets bigger than the team. Just look at this thread. Fans care about one player more than the franchise. Hard for that not to matter.

Who specifically do you get these feelings from? Which fans in this thread care more about the player then the team?