Gas Stations Gas and Dash Incident

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Hevishot

Unfortunately I have that feeling the Canadian Justice system will once again let us down and the "he has learned his lesson how about 10 years with parole in 5" will be coming down the pipe.

These comments get really old.

How does it let us down?

The mandate of the Canadian justice system isn't "Vengence for All!"

I'm personally very happy we don't have a justice system that just warehouses a massive part of our population so we can all fist pump and feel good about it.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

These comments get really old.

How does it let us down?

The mandate of the Canadian justice system isn't "Vengence for All!"

I'm personally very happy we don't have a justice system that just warehouses a massive part of our population so we can all fist pump and feel good about it.

Your thoughts are all fine and good but we have all seen so many blatant examples of how the Canadian justice system does not have enough teeth or the tools available to bring guilty parties to the appropriate justice that they deserve.

Want a quick example? Look up the impaired cement truck driver who took out 5 lives, blatantly threw away evidence and was free after about 5yrs.

I dont think its really that difficult to understand the reason for posts like the one you are quoting.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

These comments get really old.

How does it let us down?

The mandate of the Canadian justice system isn't "Vengence for All!"

I'm personally very happy we don't have a justice system that just warehouses a massive part of our population so we can all fist pump and feel good about it.

So refreshing to read. I hate crime as much as anyone but it tires me how vengeful our society is. These people that constantly call for tougher crimes are fine to do so, but you get the sense that even if all punishment in Canada was doubled over night, you'd still be reading the same wishes and revenge fantasies. It's one of the darker sides of human nature I guess.

[Ahuch]

Originally Posted by flameswin

So refreshing to read. I hate crime as much as anyone but it tires me how vengeful our society is. These people that constantly call for tougher crimes are fine to do so, but you get the sense that even if all punishment in Canada was doubled over night, you'd still be reading the same wishes and revenge fantasies. It's one of the darker sides of human nature I guess.

Couldn't agree more. Eye for an eye style vengeance gets us nowhere, and if we don't understand what led to these unfortunate events and to try to better prevent them from happening in other cases - what's the point?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

These comments get really old.

How does it let us down?

The mandate of the Canadian justice system isn't "Vengence for All!"

I'm personally very happy we don't have a justice system that just warehouses a massive part of our population so we can all fist pump and feel good about it.

It's always easy for those of us never affected by this kind of senselessness to say things like above.

Why I always truly admire is when those devastated by such violence call for a calm, measured, just response.

I expect they are far better people than I.

[Nage Waza]

LOL once again at some of you guys. One person posts that he feels the justice system will let us down by sentencing this guy to only five years, and the responses are how terrible he is for wanting "eye for an eye vengeance", "warehouse", and "revenge fantasies".

Based on what this country has done in the past, this guy is likely to serve only five years total. As a taxpayer, we are entitled to want that to change and express our opinions on it (even though there does not seem to be any mechanism to make that happen). Attempts to shame someone for expressing their honest opinion is pretty brutal.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

LOL once again at some of you guys. One person posts that he feels the justice system will let us down by sentencing this guy to only five years, and the responses are how terrible he is for wanting "eye for an eye vengeance", "warehouse", and "revenge fantasies".

Based on what this country has done in the past, this guy is likely to serve only five years total. As a taxpayer, we are entitled to want that to change and express our opinions on it (even though there does not seem to be any mechanism to make that happen). Attempts to shame someone for expressing their honest opinion is pretty brutal.

I'm mean this in the best possible way, but you really need to get over yourself with what you consider "attacks" and "pretty brutal". You do this all the time and I don't think you're able to understand that what you consider people attacking and shaming others is typically just the other side of any debate you're on saying anything.

You always say whatever the hell you want on your side of an argument in any mean/condescending way you see fit, and then you look at the other side and find ways to be offended and accuse them of personal attacks, when typically the responses you single out are just posters expressing themselves on an issue the same as you are.

You need to step back and see the forest for the trees, you really struggle with that, imo. We're all just giving opinions, but you only like and accept the ones that fit your side, everything else you consider to be bullets flying.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I'm mean this in the best possible way, but you really need to get over yourself with what you consider "attacks" and "pretty brutal". You do this all the time and I don't think you're able to understand that what you consider people attacking and shaming others is typically just the other side of any debate you're on saying anything.

You made my point perfectly. Someone does not agree, and you insult them.

Originally Posted by flameswin

You always say whatever the hell you want on your side of an argument in any mean/condescending way you see fit, and then you look at the other side and find ways to be offended and accuse them of personal attacks, when typically the responses you single out are just posters expressing themselves on an issue the same as you are.

The pattern is the same. You guys pile on someone, I call people out for it, I get insulted. Even if I didn't agree with the poster, it doesn't mean he cannot say it, in particular if he is paying taxes.

Originally Posted by flameswin

You need to step back and see the forest for the trees, you really struggle with that, imo. We're all just giving opinions, but you only like and accept the ones that fit your side, everything else you consider to be bullets flying.

Nah, this person made a very simple statement and the rhetoric came out. No place for that at all.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Nah, this person made a very simple statement and the rhetoric came out. No place for that at all.

There is place for it though, this is a message board, people go back and forth. The fact that you feel I was attacking or insulting you in my post is very telling. It was strongly worded to get the point across, but it was not a personal attack.

I hate to sound callous, but it's the internet, you gotta have a bit thicker skin than you have. If you were more of a background poster it wouldn't matter, but you tend to have very strong, sometimes controversial views, which is actually awesome, I wish more people would say what they really feel.

But due to your strong posting personality, it's really a tough juxtaposition for us to deal with in your vulnerability to people's responses. I'd suggest you just ditch the "woe is me", I'm offended at how you guys are saying stuff" routine and stick to just reading responses and responding to the content, not how you perceive insults.

I mean right now, you're not even going on about you being insulted, you picked another poster and are getting offended and defensive on their behalf. Meanwhile that poster's probably been back to the thread, read our responses and probably thought nothing of it other than those people think differently than I do, and now he's probably out drinking beers while you defend him here.

TLDR: Just chill out a bit, you have great posts until you make things personal and look to get offended, then you go on and on and don't let it go, and ruin threads. You have a reputation for that, and this thread is a great example.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by flameswin

There is place for it though, this is a message board, people go back and forth. The fact that you feel I was attacking or insulting you in my post is very telling. It was strongly worded to get the point across, but it was not a personal attack.

Actually, you made it completely personal, and used rhetorical attacks. You completely glossed over what my initial post was. If someone is going to post inflammatory attacks, expect people to call them on it. I just did.

Originally Posted by flameswin

I hate to sound callous, but it's the internet, you gotta have a bit thicker skin than you have. If you were more of a background poster it wouldn't matter, but you tend to have very strong, sometimes controversial views, which is actually awesome, I wish more people would say what they really feel.

Interesting, please tell me more about the internet. But perhaps tell me less about what you think about me in an argument.

Originally Posted by flameswin

But due to your strong posting personality, it's really a tough juxtaposition for us to deal with in your vulnerability to people's responses. I'd suggest you just ditch the "woe is me", I'm offended at how you guys are saying stuff" routine and stick to just reading responses and responding to the content, not how you perceive insults.

Perhaps call people out for when they are basically making things up about another poster, and go after what they actually wrote. Keep in mind that you have now spent several paragraphs on me, while telling me how vulnerable I am. If you can find anything that supports your point of view about me, post away. Otherwise, it is nonsense.

Originally Posted by flameswin

I mean right now, you're not even going on about you being insulted, you picked another poster and are getting offended and defensive on their behalf. Meanwhile that poster's probably been back to the thread, read our responses and probably thought nothing of it other than those people think differently than I do, and now he's probably out drinking beers while you defend him here.

I will make this very clear for you: Original post made, several responses were made that did not accurately reflect the post they were complaining about. Instead, you made it about me. READ.

Originally Posted by flameswin

TLDR: Just chill out a bit, you have great posts until you make things personal and look to get offended, then you go on and on and don't let it go, and ruin threads. You have a reputation for that, and this thread is a great example.

Try reading or posting on a skeptic website. Posts (like the ones I called out) would probably get deleted for simply either misquoting or rhetoric. Read what Hevishot wrote, the responses were off.

[jayswin]

You could honestly go back and forth like that all day couldn't you? I don't mean that in a rude way, I'm genuinely impressed.

[Flames_Gimp]

The Canadian justice system is an embarrassment. If this idiot wasn't out on bail, this woman would be alive today. Once again the system has failed us.

[RedMileDJ]

nm

[Peanut]

So, maybe a fata but the guy is a total deadbeat. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/calg...bail-1.3109449

Poor Maryam and her family. I don't like to think of myself as a revenge-fantasist, but 5 years seems too short for the tragedy he brought upon that family. Especially while out on bail for previous vehicle theft and dangerous driving charges.

Does the fact that he did this while out on bail for other driving offenses mean the sentence he receives would likely be harsher? Or reduces his chance of getting bail for this crime, surely?

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by Peanut

So, maybe a fata but the guy is a total deadbeat. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/calg...bail-1.3109449

Poor Maryam and her family. I don't like to think of myself as a revenge-fantasist, but 5 years seems too short for the tragedy he brought upon that family. Especially while out on bail for previous vehicle theft and dangerous driving charges.

Does the fact that he did this while out on bail for other driving offenses mean the sentence he receives would likely be harsher? Or reduces his chance of getting bail for this crime, surely?

Reduces his chance at bail and is a big aggravating factor at sentencing (additional year or two)

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

The Canadian justice system is an embarrassment. If this idiot wasn't out on bail, this woman would be alive today. Once again the system has failed us.

Why not go back and blame his parents for breeding? It makes about as much sense as blaming the system for letting him out on bail. His previous crimes weren't heinous so there wasn't a good reason to lock him up, possibly for months or years, until he went to trial. If we did that for everyone charged with similar crimes the cost would be astronomical.

I mean, it really sucks that the woman died as a result of this piece of crap's selfish actions, but the system of "justice" you like to espouse sounds pretty tyrannical to me.

And if you have such a big problem with the way things work, what are you doing about it? Posting cliched yelling-at-clouds rants on the internet isn't helping.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by flameswin

You could honestly go back and forth like that all day couldn't you? I don't mean that in a rude way, I'm genuinely impressed.

I feel for ya, man. Nage Waza loves him some rhetoric.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Reduces his chance at bail and is a big aggravating factor at sentencing (additional year or two)

Extra year or two, eh? Probably not even enough to even it up to the original sentence, once his double (or is it triple?) credit he'll get for being in remand awaiting trial? Woo.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Why not go back and blame his parents for breeding? It makes about as much sense as blaming the system for letting him out on bail. His previous crimes weren't heinous so there wasn't a good reason to lock him up, possibly for months or years, until he went to trial. If we did that for everyone charged with similar crimes the cost would be astronomical.

I mean, it really sucks that the woman died as a result of this piece of crap's selfish actions, but the system of "justice" you like to espouse sounds pretty tyrannical to me.

And if you have such a big problem with the way things work, what are you doing about it? Posting cliched yelling-at-clouds rants on the internet isn't helping.

He'll probably get bail again ffs, I wouldn't be surprised!

I'm not the only one who thinks the justice system is garbage, What is anybody in this thread doing about it?

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Extra year or two, eh? Probably not even enough to even it up to the original sentence, once his double (or is it triple?) credit he'll get for being in remand awaiting trial? Woo.

Can't get double or triple credit, only time and a half credit. If he is going to the pen he'd be better off to get it over with ASAP to get parole after 1/3 of the time.