2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Where are the Oilers going to get all this cap space? Even a 7 year 56 million deal still has Boston leaning towards matching.

I don't buy this rumor.

Its been going around Edmonton blogs/forums for half a week and its solely been fans suggesting it.

Now a few days later after getting a lot of talk by fans its being trotted out by legitimate sources.

Seems like clickbait.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I wouldn't trade Ferland for Skinner straight-up.

Please give your head a shake. Thanks

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

7 year $56 million means 4 1st round picks. They crazy enough to do it?

Well, they haven't had much success with 4 1st overall picks, so they may as well try their luck with none.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Please give your head a shake. Thanks

I'll shake mine for him! Everyone has their opinion, maybe he's thinking what I'm thinking, Skinner is a smallish LW'er with at least 4 concussions(one in each the last 4 seasons) and this season he played like a deer in headlights when a game got physical.

Yes the talent is there, Yes he's worth way more than Ferland in a trade but sometimes you have to weigh the pros and cons and right now players like Ferland aren't growing on tree's in the flames system but smallish wingers/centers are..

And we have a slightly lesser version in him with Mason Raymond so maybe offer the cash strapped hurricanes a savings of $5.2m next season and $17m+ the next 3.

Raymond, Hiller and a 2nd

for

Skinner and Ward

Even then I'm not sure taking the chance on Skinners $6m x 4 more years would be worth it.

[Poe969]

Skinner is a good player with tons of skill, no one is doubting that. He has skill. The one thing that seems to be in debate here is his value. To some teams he'd have a lot of value because of his skill despite his size and injury risk but to other teams, like the Flames who have a few small players with skill and don't really need any more let alone one with a high risk of injury, he has less value. Ferland is a player that the Flames need as he's that physical agitator who can still play the game and not look out of place playing with most guys on the team. If Ferland were on a different team like say the ducks who have a lot of physical players, they'd do a Ferland for Skinner trade in a heartbeat. The Flames are lacking size so trading away a good physical (and fan favourite after the playoffs) player when they don't have many would be a mistake.

If this was a no body contact league, I'd take Skinner over Ferland without a doubt. The Flames just need Ferland more at this point. If the Hurricanes decide to trade Skinner, they'll get a lot more than one player like Ferland...they just won't get it from the Flames. For some reason, I could see him being a fit on a team like the BJ's.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Please give your head a shake. Thanks

You realize that you're firmly in the minority on this one right? Take your own advice.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Please give your head a shake. Thanks

I just gave my head a shake, at you.

Ferland was a difference maker in a playoff series, as a rookie.
He's just beginning to bloom into the player he can become.
Not to mention he has size, hands, and plays very physical, which is something the Flames don't have much of.

Skinner has serious injury risks, a huge contract, declining numbers, and small size.

On another note, Boston should be happy to let Hamilton sign an offer sheet if they get four 1st round picks. That's the 1st overall pick for the next 4 years.

[Huntingwhale]

Skinner might be the better player now. He will probably score more goals and have higher point totals in his career. But Ferland fits the Flames' needs way more. Scoring goals isn't one of the Flames' problems. Size and physical play upfront is. Ferland brings that in heaps, much more so then Skinner. Point totals aren't everything.

[Vinny01]

Skinner is listed at 5'11 200lbs on hockeydb yet reading this thread you would think he is the same size as Johnny Hockey. He has only missed major time once in his career and had a 30 goal season after that injury so again I think this injury stuff is blown out of proportion.

Having said all that if there was no risk in trading for Skinner the value would be so high it wouldn't even be worth discussing.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Skinner is listed at 5'11 200lbs on hockeydb yet reading this thread you would think he is the same size as Johnny Hockey. He has only missed major time once in his career and had a 30 goal season after that injury so again I think this injury stuff is blown out of proportion.

Having said all that if there was no risk in trading for Skinner the value would be so high it wouldn't even be worth discussing.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but here goes.

He plays small. If you didn't know his size you'd assume he was 5'6 from watching him. He has had at least 4 concussions in the last 4 years alone. How many did he have in juniors, or when he was a kid? I definitely don't blame him, but the guy is afraid of contact now. Do not want any part of a player like that, especially in the pacific division.

[868904]

Why is Ferland even mentioned in this? Is it just the anti truculent crowd on her wanting to make the flames smaller again by trading what little truculence the flames have?

Why not Backlund and Granlind for Skinner. That probably makes more sense for both teams.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by 868904

Why is Ferland even mentioned in this? Is it just the anti truculent crowd on her wanting to make the flames smaller again by trading what little truculence the flames have?

Why not Backlund and Granlind for Skinner. That probably makes more sense for both teams.

Why are we getting rid of Backlund when we can re-sign him for cheap?

[1qqaaz]

If we miraculously got Skinner for Ferland, we could theoretically flip Skinner for quite a bit of assets (assuming the people here don't like him). However, this would never happen for many reasons.

Scoring goals is a big part of success; more than being truculent is. Kucherov, Johnson, and Palat all contribute offensively much more than they check. Chicago and Tampa are in the finals for a reason.

But I would want to avoid injury-prone players as much as possible. Teams like Anaheim, and formerly Boston, are successful in part because of their lack of injuries. The high occurrence of injuries is part of what has made the Oilers struggle.

The Hurricanes probably overvalue Skinner just as we probably overvalue players like Ferland. I doubt the Hurricanes would accept the 15th overall + the 45th overall + Backlund + Ferland. Flames fans would not even be happy if this went through. Thus, I highly doubt the Flames will be getting Skinner.

[JiriHrdina]

Why would the Flames be able to flip him for more than they would have to give up to get him?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Scoring goals is a big part of success; more than being truculent is. Kucherov, Johnson, and Palat all contribute offensively much more than they check. Chicago and Tampa are in the finals for a reason.

Of course they contribute more offense than checking.. that's Tampa's top line.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why would the Flames be able to flip him for more than they would have to give up to get him?

Because getting him for Ferland would be a miracle, and they Flames would take advantage of the miracle by flipping him for more assets.
ex. If the Flames miraculously got Weber for Ferland, they could trade Weber for more assets (assuming they didn't want Weber for some reason).

The whole scenario is nonsense. It would take a lot more than Ferland to get Skinner, whether Ferland is worth it or not.

[Poe969]

and why would the hurricanes pass up on a package of the 15th, 45th and 2 good young players making next to nothing for a player who's not preforming to his large contract??

Nothing about that post makes sense.

[codynw]

So, is it October yet?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Because getting him for Ferland would be a miracle, and they Flames would take advantage of the miracle by flipping him for more assets.
ex. If the Flames miraculously got Weber for Ferland, they could trade Weber for more assets (assuming they didn't want Weber for some reason).

The whole scenario is nonsense. It would take a lot more than Ferland to get Skinner, whether Ferland is worth it or not.

I think he means the Flames wouldn't be able to flip him for more because if he was worth more, the hurricanes would trade him for more and skip the middle man. Trading for a player then flipping him for more makes 0 sense and it's mind bottling that you're suggesting it. The only time a team can "flip" a player is at the deadline.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Why are we getting rid of Backlund when we can re-sign him for cheap?

I hope you are right Bavklund is going to be cheap but I am not holding my breath