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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by calculoso

(asking honestly): Why should Chomsky get so much credit for his views if they are based solely on academia?

Because academia has been (and is) involved in almost every major development of western society, certainly through the last 100 years?

[transplant99]

What you call mindreading they call 'books'. There happen to be a few written about all periods of history, and you can learn a lot by reading them.

The Bible is a book.....does it get included?? Do you glean information, or as you say, "learn a lot from it", as you do from Chomsky?

Just asking.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The Bible is a book.....does it get included?? Do you glean information, or as you say, "learn a lot from it", as you do from Chomsky?

Just asking.

What a stupid question.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because academia has been (and is) involved in almost every major development of western society, certainly through the last 100 years?

I guess it depends on what you consider to be a major development of western society....

Personal Computers were developed by IBM / Microsoft... most certainly not academics.

Cars were developed by Henry Ford... most certainly not academics.

I'll give you that a lot of academics theorize and create incredible concepts. It takes a lot of others to actually put those concepts into practice.

In the social realm, they can come up with unrealistic utopia. If these ideals are put into practice and don't work, academics usually criticize those that implemented the ideals and not the ideals themselves, forgetting that they are academic ideals and not real-world practical.

IMO academics should get a lot of credit for their work.. but they should get more credit if it's real-world applicable. Criticizing real-world based on an ideal? It's pointing out that the real-world isn't perfect.... talk about a brainwave.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by calculoso

I guess it depends on what you consider to be a major development of western society....

Personal Computers were developed by IBM / Microsoft... most certainly not academics.

Cars were developed by Henry Ford... most certainly not academics.

I'll give you that a lot of academics theorize and create incredible concepts. It takes a lot of others to actually put those concepts into practice.

In the social realm, they can come up with unrealistic utopia. If these ideals are put into practice and don't work, academics usually criticize those that implemented the ideals and not the ideals themselves, forgetting that they are academic ideals and not real-world practical.

IMO academics should get a lot of credit for their work.. but they should get more credit if it's real-world applicable. Criticizing real-world based on an ideal? It's pointing out that the real-world isn't perfect.... talk about a brainwave.

Ok, now tell me how that applies to Chomsky.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by White Doors

And to blam eit on 'poverty' is moronic. Are there poor people in India? I'd gander that there is. I don't see them blowing themselves up. Well the Indians of the Hindu faith anyways).

Man, it really amuses me how many people in the west buy the terrorist clap trap that we are bringing this on ourselves.. That this is all the West's fault. I guess it is true for some, that if you hear a lie over and over again it becomes the truth. Speaks very badly for our education system and the gullibility of alot of people. Holy White-man guilt batman!

They hate us for our freedom.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Ok, now tell me how that applies to Chomsky.

He's an academic working with ideals.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by calculoso

He's an academic working with ideals.

Do you have any specific examples as to how his ideals aren't real-world applicable?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

And on both accounts I was referring to your comment of having 5 years of University education, which you called as good as "mindreading" to some extent.

At least remember what you post....

Uh... you're the one who brought up the whole mind reading thing. People would comment on history, and you would suggest, repeatedly, that to do so was 'reading minds'. I even quoted you on it. You'd be surprised to find out there are places where people talk about and debate history, and the idea that you'd have to 'read minds' to do it doesn't even occur to them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Uh... you're the one who brought up the whole mind reading thing. People would comment on history, and you would suggest, repeatedly, that to do so was 'reading minds'. I even quoted you on it. You'd be surprised to find out there are places where people talk about and debate history, and the idea that you'd have to 'read minds' to do it doesn't even occur to them.

And you were the one who first mentioned that your 5 years of University education gave you the ability to read the 'minds' of 'some' people in 'certain' ways.

IMO, it makes people think that you're high on yourself, based on that education.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

And you were the one who first mentioned that your 5 years of University education gave you the ability to read the 'minds' of 'some' people in 'certain' ways.

BS, thats a lie. I said no such thing. I made fun of the fact that you believe commenting on history is like 'reading minds' (your words, not mine, check the post history). The phrase originates with you.

You said:

Sorry, I don't have 5 years of University education that allows me the read the minds of people that existed 60 years ago.

I went on to say that what you call 'read the minds of people', we call reading books. You've now gone on to say that I brought it up. You're a liar, sir.

[Azure]

BS, thats a lie. I said no such thing. I made fun of the fact that you believe commenting on history is like 'reading minds' (your words, not mine, check the post history). The phrase originates with you.

You said this....

Based on my 5 years studying political science and history (what you might call 'mindreading'),

But hey, thanks for calling me a liar...

I went on to say that what you call 'read the minds of people', we call reading books. You've now gone on to say that I brought it up. You're a liar, sir.

Your original topic revolves around 5 years of University education, not reading books.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

But hey, thanks for calling me a liar...

Well, I proved it. You're the one who brought up the use of 'mind reading' in this thread, and ascribed it to historical commentary.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Well, I proved it. You're the one who brought up the use of 'mind reading' in this thread, and ascribed it to historical commentary.

I guess you totally ignored your own quote.

Nice dodge.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess you totally ignored your own quote.

Nice dodge.

My quote was in response to your quote saying 'mind reading'. Its right there in the thread. When you're caught out on a lie, its generally poor form to hang on to the debate.

[nuckles]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

My quote was in response to your quote saying 'mind reading'. Its right there in the thread. When you're caught out on a lie, its generally poor form to hang on to the debate.

Checkmate

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

My quote was in response to your quote saying 'mind reading'. Its right there in the thread. When you're caught out on a lie, its generally poor form to hang on to the debate.

Funny thing is, your initial post about having the 5 years of University education, which you called 'mindreading' was posted before 'any' of my posts that had the same subject.

You're dodging is ridiculous...considering your inital post wasn't even directed at me...

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Funny thing is, your initial post about having the 5 years of University education, which you called 'mindreading' was posted before 'any' of my posts that had the same subject.

You're dodging is ridiculous...considering your inital post wasn't even directed at me...

You said 'read minds'. First. In this thread, its there for all interested readers to confirm. I responded to that saying 'mindreading'. Apparently you're of the (blind) opinion that these are different, or that my reference somehow didn't refer to your original use of the phrase 'mind reading', though I quoted it in my post.

When I said reading books is what you call 'reading minds', that was making fun of you, not a claim on my part that I am able to read minds. I thought this was obvious, but I'm beginning to think you're not aware of subtlety.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Sorry, I don't have 5 years of University education that allows me the read the minds of people that existed 60 years ago.

Just for fun, I've re-quoted the original use in this thread of the phrase 'read the minds of people'. The first time I use the term 'mindreading' is in response to the above post. You brought this stupid phrase up, and you're the one now denying that you did, somehow implying that I claimed to be a mind reader due to my education, which, if one reads the thread, can be seen to be blatantly false.

The thread shows no such thing happened. I say again, you sir, are a liar.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Just for fun, I've re-quoted the original use in this thread of the phrase 'read the minds of people'. The first time I use the term 'mindreading' is in response to the above post. You brought this stupid phrase up, and you're the one now denying that you did, somehow implying that I claimed to be a mind reader due to my education, which, if one reads the thread, can be seen to be blatantly false.

The thread shows no such thing happened. I say again, you sir, are a liar.

Jesus Christ man, that post was a sarcastic comment directed at 'you' because of your initial comment, which was in a different thread, directed at someone else, which said that your 5 years of University education gave you the ability to read minds.

Go re-read your posting history. You sound like a little girl trying to defend her actions.

And never once did I say that you mentioned that comment in this thread....that is the politically correct way you're trying to defend yourself.