2015 NHL Draft

[azzarish]

Kylington is the biggest enigma in the entire draft for me. You can't live with him and you can't live without him.

If you don't take him at 15 you just have this eerie feeling that he's going to go on to be the next Lidstrom with some other team, and you're left kicking yourself. But if you draft him there are enough doubts to make you think that there were better players available at 15.

[neo45]

I would be shocked if we target Kylington, even at #45. His weakness is hockey sense and that is repeatedly what management states we value the most. I think he is the Kabanov of this draft.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

For me Carlo is in the 25 to 35 range....he might fall to 45, but from all accounts he's not quite good enough to pick at #15

Knowing what you know now, do you think Marc Staal would have been a reach at 15?

I would be shocked if we target Kylington, even at #45. His weakness is hockey sense

Dunno where you're getting that from. His weakness is size as he's a bit undersized for an NHL Dman (so is his comparable - Erik Karlsson, though).

Button gave him a 4/5 in "smarts"

http://www.tsn.ca/oliver-kylington-defence-1.293881

LWoS says he has "excellent vision" "strong positioning", " excellent gap control", "able to intercept passes, break up plays", "very good at the “slap pass” - those are all pretty much signs of great hockey sense.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2015/04/...ver-kylington/

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Knowing what you know now, do you think Marc Staal would have been a reach at 15?

He went 12th

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by codynw

Kanzig is a terrible skater.

From the CSS report they ranked him as above average for skating. I think he looks a little awkward, but in development camp he got up and down the ice pretty effectively. Not Brodie by any means but I wouldn't classify him as terrible.

[Red Menace]

For me I consider the top tier of 12 the following:
McDavid, Eichel, Hanafin, Strome, Marner, Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, Rantanen, Zacha, Crouse, Meier.
If any slip to 15, I assume we take them.

Next tier for me is 13 to 24, I would pick those players as follows:
Kylington, Merkley, Svechnikov, Zboril, J.Roy, Connor, Konecny, Boeser, Chabot, Sprong, Eriksson Ek, White.

25 to 35 is next level for me, hopefully one falls to 45:
Bittner, Bracco, Guryanov, Larson, Carlo, Juulsen, Harkins, Beauvillier, Meloche, de Brusk, Greenaway,

Harder and harder to predict as the draft goes deeper....some others I like:
R.Anderson, N.Roy, Forsbacka-Karlsson, G.Carlsson, Dunn, Vande Sompel, Dermott, Senyshyn, Spencer, Fischer, Spacek, Gropp, Musil, Wotherspoon, Kovacs, Novak, Foley, Roslovic

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Knowing what you know now, do you think Marc Staal would have been a reach at 15?



Dunno where you're getting that from. His weakness is size as he's a bit undersized for an NHL Dman (so is his comparable - Erik Karlsson, though).

Button gave him a 4/5 in "smarts"

http://www.tsn.ca/oliver-kylington-defence-1.293881

LWoS says he has "excellent vision" "strong positioning", " excellent gap control", "able to intercept passes, break up plays", "very good at the “slap pass” - those are all pretty much signs of great hockey sense.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2015/04/...ver-kylington/

I've heard a couple of times that Kylington's stock has fallen due to his on ice decision making this season. I know I read somewhere that scouts were scratching their heads at the choices he was making out there. Maybe that's what he was referring to by "hockey sense". Sounds like it is scaring teams off.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I've heard a couple of times that Kylington's stock has fallen due to his on ice decision making this season. I know I read somewhere that scouts were scratching their heads at the choices he was making out there. Maybe that's what he was referring to by "hockey sense". Sounds like it is scaring teams off.

There is the knock on him that he tends to hold on to the puck a bit too long in his zone, but we're talking about a 17 year old here playing in a mens league. Heck, you could pick games Brodie played last season, like @ Toronto and @ Colorado, where he made some boneheaded decisions and think to yourself "this guy doesn't even belong in the NHL".

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Knowing what you know now, do you think Marc Staal would have been a reach at 15?

Not sure why you would mention Marc Staal. He was expected to go 8-10, based on a quick search. I get that you like Kylington, but Staal has literally nothing to do with where he might go in the draft.

[sureLoss]

Here is a scouting report that rips Kylington on his decision making

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-may/27307985/

One of the most perplexing developments in the world of prospects this year has been the wildly erratic play of Swedish wunderkind Oliver Kylington.

Viewed by many (including Red Line) as a top five talent heading into this season, Kylington has taken a gigantic step backward and we have finally had to take the drastic step of dropping him completely out of our first round. While the super-skilled blue-liner's immense talent is not in question, we can't for the life of us figure out what the hell is going on inside his head most of the time.

Our biggest complaint is that, for all his stupendous puck skills, he seems either incapable — or worse yet, simply unwilling — to make the simple, correct play with the puck that is called for in 90% of game situations. Why make the simple, correct play when you can contort yourself into spasms looking for — and trying — the impossibly flashy play that says, "Hey, look at me - I'm sooooo skilled." And invariably winds up as a brutal turnover.

Having said all that, Kylington is undoubtedly the best pure skater in the draft, with the type of speed, agility, and balance on the rush that are currently rivaled in the NHL only by the likes of Erik Karlsson and P.K. Subban.

Given all that, we think of him as the ultimate boom-or-bust, high risk/high reward defenceman, and we admit he has us in a conundrum. Do you take the gamble very early in the draft on pure talent and assume your staff can coach him up? Or is he so undisciplined and irresponsible in his decision-making that he'll be a coach killer for at least the first six to eight years of his career?

We honestly have no idea which way his career will go. If we were sitting with a pick in the middle of the first round and Kylington was still on the board, we'd be sorely tempted. But ultimately, we think we'd settle on a player who wouldn't have as high an upside (not many do), but would be a safer bet to develop into a quality NHLer.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Kylington is definitely the biggest boom/bust, high risk/reward pick.

Could see a team like Winnipeg taking a stab at him with their late 1st, they can afford to take the risk.

[Five-hole]

Presumably he means best pure-skating defenceman, as does anyone skate as well as McDavid? Anyway...

Would love it if he were around at 45 but he almost certainly won't be. He's a swing-for-the-fences d-man that we could really use, but not with #15 IMO.

[Red Menace]

I already posted this somewhere (maybe even in this thread), but here is another take on Kylington:

http://flamesnation.ca/2015/6/8/flam...iver-kylington

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Here is a scouting report that rips Kylington on his decision making

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-may/27307985/

But you also have to consider he played not only on 3 different teams but 3 different leagues.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Yikes, Kylington sounds more like Bryan Berard than Erik Karlsson. Still, might be worth the risk a little further down (than 15) IMO.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Presumably he means best pure-skating defenceman, as does anyone skate as well as McDavid? Anyway...

Would love it if he were around at 45 but he almost certainly won't be. He's a swing-for-the-fences d-man that we could really use, but not with #15 IMO.

I think I would be okay with the Flames taking him at 15 as well

[demzor]

I've also heard that Kylington has a meddling nutcase of a father..

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Not sure why you would mention Marc Staal.

Brandon Carlo doesn't bring enough offense, therefore he shouldn't go in the mid 1st. That's how people feel. It's pretty much the sole reason he's lower in the mocks.

The comparable for Brandon Carlo is... Marc Staal.

This is how their Junior draft year stats compare:

Year	Team			League	GP	G	A	P
2014-15	Tri-City Americans	WHL	63	4	21	25
2004-05	Sudbury Wolves		OHL	65	6	20	26

A decade apart, where the league has gone to more offensive defensemen, which is fair, but Staal went 12th overall and he's still playing in this league of offensive defensemen on one of the best teams in the league as a top 4 guy. But because Carlo lacks offense, he's a reach at 15th OA

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Kylington is definitely the biggest boom/bust, high risk/reward pick.

Could see a team like Winnipeg taking a stab at him with their late 1st, they can afford to take the risk.

As per the post combine thread, maybe Kylington is the type of player button talks about taking a chance on in the second round, if he falls that far.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

[QUOTE=GranteedEV;5324717]Brandon Carlo doesn't bring enough offense, therefore he shouldn't go in the mid 1st. That's how people feel. It's pretty much the sole reason he's lower in the mocks.

The comparable for Brandon Carlo is... Marc Staal.

This is how their Junior draft year stats compare:

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I didn't realize you were comparing Staal to Carlo, I thought you were going with Kylington. Either way, notwithstanding similar stats, I don't think you can draw much between Staal (a presumed top 10 pick going in) and Carlo (who I like quite a bit). Carlo seems to be ranked all over the place and it will be interesting to see where he goes.