[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

The ironic thing is that if Jankowski develops to a point where he decides it's in his best interest to become a UFA, 80% of these posters defending him today will turn on him instantly and say he was never that good to begin with.
The same way Sven has been re-branded by the mob.
As always, I hope for the best and would love to see him Flames colours one day.

Sven faith was faltering hard well before he forced a trade.

Of course some will minimize the loss should Janko reject the club. The ex girlfriend is never as desirable as the pursued one. Ironic maybe. Human nature absolutely.
More likely though is the posters defending him today will simply be sullenly quiet and the other side posters will post all the more giving the overall impression of board hypocracy. Then of course someone will point out the irony of it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by David Struch

How will Jankowski's age affect his contract when he is finished school next April.

Will he get the same three year contract as Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk & Bennett,? (.925 .833 .833)

IIRC he'll get a two-year entry level deal due to being 4 years out from his draft. Similar to Bill Arnold.

Depending on when his season ends he could sign with the Flames and burn one of those two years right away too.

[sureLoss]

Yes Jankowski will get a 2 year deal ELC next April.

He will be 22 years old per the CBA's definition.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yes Jankowski will get a 2 year deal ELC next April.

He will be 22 years old per the CBA's definition.

So does that mean he's an RFA in 2017? Or 2018?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

So does that mean he's an RFA in 2017? Or 2018?

It depends on when they start the contract and if they burn a year.

If Jankowski signs a 2 year ELC in April with the contract starting for 2016/2017. (i.e. year not burned)
- would be ineligible to play in any Flames game including playoffs in the 2015-2016 season
- could sign an ATO with Stockton and join them for the rest of their season and AHL playoffs (2015-2016)
- RFA after the 2017/2018 season


If Jankowski signs a 2 year ELC in April with the contract starting for 2015/2016. (i.e. year burned)
- would be eligible to play in any Flames game in the 2015-2016 season and NHL playoffs
- would be ineligible for any Stockton Heat games including playoffs (2015-2016)
- RFA after the 2016/2017 season

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

The ironic thing is that if Jankowski develops to a point where he decides it's in his best interest to become a UFA, 80% of these posters defending him today will turn on him instantly and say he was never that good to begin with.
The same way Sven has been re-branded by the mob.
As always, I hope for the best and would love to see him Flames colours one day.

Not so sure that would happen.

Did Sven really just get re-branded by the 'mob' simply because he was traded to the Canucks? I think you are forgetting what happened each year since Sven was drafted. Went from "Looking like a good pick" to "Looking like an awesome pick" to "Looking like a great pick" to "Well, he just needs a bit more time and the fanbase had unreasonable expectations" to "legitimate concerns".

The storyline on Sven changed every season based on what Sven did or didn't do (and often, what he said or didn't say himself). Hardly a 'mob mentality based on him not working out here".

What will happen is that the posters who are stating that Jankowski was a bad pick to begin with will grow louder, and the ones who defended him will not have their 'heart' in it to continually defend him. I, for one, think Jankowski will go on to at least be an every-day NHL'er, and I do think that his upside is still very good. That won't change until this season at Providence, and then next year as a pro, etc., when he either disappoints, meets or exceeds my personal expectations for him.

I loved Sven for the first 2 years, and then started having questions about him. I got into some heated discussions with some Sven lovers when I openly questioned Sven, and this was way before he was traded. There were many other posters who also voiced concerns and were 'down' on Sven by then as well.

[Red Menace]

Fair enough, but try saying anything positive about Sven now and be prepared for an onslaught of hate.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Fair enough, but try saying anything positive about Sven now and be prepared for an onslaught of hate.

Let's keep the Sven talk to the Sven thread. This thread is enough of a mess already

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

The ironic thing is that if Jankowski develops to a point where he decides it's in his best interest to become a UFA, 80% of these posters defending him today will turn on him instantly and say he was never that good to begin with.
The same way Sven has been re-branded by the mob.
As always, I hope for the best and would love to see him Flames colours one day.

Jankowski and Baertschi along with Reinhart were re-branded by Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Jooris, Brodie and Bouma.

When Baertschi and Jankowski were first drafted by the Flames they were basically the only prospects in the organizations. The Flames fans were accustomed to low expectation and a long slow development process for prospects ending in failure. Chucko, Pelech, Neimicz, Boyd, Breen all were supposed to have painfully long development processes before they blossomed into legitimate Flames.

Then along came Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Jooris, Brodie, Ferland and Bouma and they spent at most a full season in the AHL and on to their NHL careers.

It is very rare that the 5 year plan ends up with NHL stardom.

Even a relative slow developer like undrafted Giordano only spent 2 years in the AHL and played 48 NHL games when he was 22.

[Street Pharmacist]

Dustin Boyd hasn't really got a fair shot

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Then along came Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Jooris, Brodie, Ferland and Bouma and they spent at most a full season in the AHL and on to their NHL careers.

Knock it off will ya? Brodie was drafted three years before Baertschi, Gaudreau was drafted simultaneously with Baertschi, Jooris' draft year would have been 2009, and Ferland was drafted a year before Baertschi. All you're left with are a #6 overall pick who could have gone top 5 easily and a #4 overall pick who could have gone top 2.

You're acting here, like the "plan" for Gaudreau wasn't to play a year in the AHL after his three college years.
Like Ferland didn't bounce around in the minors as a long shot as late as March this year (5 years after being drafted)
Like Brodie didn't break out in year 5 after his draft, in a convenient transition year for the team.
Like Jooris' rookie year in the AHL didn't come after a year in Junior A (or is it two?) Plus three more in NCAA. Or like he was expected to play even a cup of coffee in the NHL this year.

It is very rare that the 5 year plan ends up with NHL stardom.

What do Nyquist, Tatar, and Datsyuk. Have in common?

ven a relative slow developer like undrafted Giordano only spent 2 years in the AHL and played 48 NHL games when he was 22.

Jankowski is 20. Giordano was just getting signed to a three-way contract when he was 20 - a contract that threatened to cut his meagre AHL paycheck on the off chance they wanted to develop him in the ECHL. Oh, and Gio was 23, not 22 when he played 48 games. And those 48 games weren't enough for the team to even commit a one-way contract, so he spent his 24-year old season developing in Moscow.

[tknez16]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Dustin Boyd hasn't really got a fair shot

Has he even signed yet?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'd like to see him play on the top line.
I'd like to see him be involved in 30+% of the Friars offense.
I'd like to see him stay healthy.

I think this could be more important than his absolute numbers. Does anybody know what his involvement was this past year?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Knock it off will ya? Brodie was drafted three ...

Crushed it! Ricardow will have to slink back to his dark corner and dream up another fallacious angle to promote. Well done!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

What do Nyquist, Tatar, and Datsyuk. Have in common?

all born outside of North America? All took faster paths to the NHl than Jankowski is on?

Datsyk was 23 when he came to the NHL after training in Russia... 0 games in the AHL and played 70 games as a rookie 23 year old.

When Tartar was 22 he started his season with the Wings and had 39 pts in 79 games in the his rookie year after 3 dominate year in the AHL.

Nyquist was drafted out of U of Maine. When he was Jankowski's age he started his Jr. Year at U of Maine and was a dominate player 52 pts in 31 games. The next season he started with Grand rapids and after 58 pts in 56 games but was a red wing by the end of the year and played in 4 out of the 5 redwing play off games.



Mark Jankowski
Center -- shoots L
Born Sep 13 1994

He is 21 as before hockey starts this fall.

To catch up to the slowest developing player you listed as slow... he would have to dominate the NCCA this year... be the best Flame in the AHL next year and force his way on the Flames roster by the end of next season.

then Jankowski would have something in common with your list.

Do you really see this happening? All 3 players you listed showed a lot more than Jankowski by the time they were 20.

It would be a big jump in his development trend if he catches up to these guys (that you list as apparent slow developers) in the next 2 years.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I think this could be more important than his absolute numbers. Does anybody know what his involvement was this past year?

Providence scored 123 goals last season. Jankowski had 27 points (22.0%).

In his Sophomore season, he had 25 points on 115 Friar goals (21.7%). In his Freshman season, he had 18 points on 105 goals (17.1%).


If he is played on the top scoring line next season, 30% should be achievable. This season, Nick Saracino led Providence with 38 points, which was 30.9% of their goals. I'd say there's a good chance Saracino will be playing on Jankowski's wing next season.

[ForeverFlameFan]

ricardo, let Jankowski develop in peace.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Knock it off will ya? Brodie was drafted three years before Baertschi, Gaudreau was drafted simultaneously with Baertschi, Jooris' draft year would have been 2009, and Ferland was drafted a year before Baertschi. All you're left with are a #6 overall pick who could have gone top 5 easily and a #4 overall pick who could have gone top 2.

And yet Brodie was 3 months older than Jankowski is now the season he became an NHL regular player.

Brodie turned 21 June 2011 ... Played 54 games 2011-12 season Jankowski turns 21 September 2015.

but but but Jankowski is dripping with potential and will be the best player of his generation. Feaster said so.

In the age equivalent season to the one Jankowski just finished Brodie was the best player on the Flames AHL team..

Brodie is a d-man that normally have a a longer development cycle than a forward.

Does anyone think that Jankowski would be a top 6 forward on the Flames AHL team this coming season?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

but but but Jankowski is dripping with potential and will be the best player of his generation. Feaster said so.

Holy crap dude, this has you waaaaay too worked up. Have you been stewing on this for three solid years now? I think it's time to move onto the next step in the grieving process already...

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

And yet Brodie was 3 months older than Jankowski is now the season he became an NHL regular player.

Brodie turned 21 June 2011 ... Played 54 games 2011-12 season Jankowski turns 21 September 2015.

No offense...........but who cares?

He'll be the go-to forward with the Friars next season, hopefully he has a great season and then you go from there. The Flames are not in a rush at all for him to make the big club, so if he takes longer to develop than others so be it.

No sense stressing out about him or his pace of development right now, we know where he'll be next season. Just enjoy it and hope he has a fantastic season.