Federal Politics 2015 Thread

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Natives are killing each other. Not to mention the men are killing each other at a higher rate but somehow they turn this into a gender thing.

Source? I actually believe you, but I'd like to see the numbers anyways.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Source? I actually believe you, but I'd like to see the numbers anyways.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle23868927/

The Natives and the Left wing like people to believe that racism is the cause for these deaths but it is quite clear that Natives have only themselves to blame for the incivility within their culture

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle23868927/

The Natives and the Left wing like people to believe that racism is the cause for these deaths but it is quite clear that Natives have only themselves to blame for the incivility within their culture

Right. Seriously, what were they thinking sending themselves off to be abused at residential schools and then suffering the aftermath of that?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle23868927/

The Natives and the Left wing like people to believe that racism is the cause for these deaths but it is quite clear that Natives have only themselves to blame for the incivility within their culture

The force’s report of last May did not contain information about the ethnicity of the known perpetrators. But it said that, in 62 per cent of the cases, aboriginal females who were victims of homicide were killed by a spouse, family member or intimate relation. It also said the number was higher – 74 per cent – for other Canadian women who are murdered.

Aboriginal Men 12% less likely to murder their spouse or family member than the rest of Canadians.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle23868927/

The Natives and the Left wing like people to believe that racism is the cause for these deaths but it is quite clear that Natives have only themselves to blame for the incivility within their culture

And just like that you give a pass to colonial, dominant cultures the world over who continue to perpetuate situations of segregation, poor economy, poor health, and lack of infrastructure to keep minority groups from ever having a fair fight in getting a leg up, never mind the decades if institutionalized abuse that has been going on in Canada. White people in America have been dining out on statements like yours for generations; afterall, there should be more black people in jail, they're the ones committing all the crimes.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

And just like that you give a pass to colonial, dominant cultures the world over who continue to perpetuate situations of segregation, poor economy, poor health, and lack of infrastructure to keep minority groups from ever having a fair fight in getting a leg up, never mind the decades if institutionalized abuse that has been going on in Canada. White people in America have been dining out on statements like yours for generations; afterall, there should be more black people in jail, they're the ones committing all the crimes.

Cut the colonial BS out of this, facts are facts, and stats are stats. And according to the stats Natives are killing each other- NOT the "patriarchal, white boogyman." Oh, and more blacks are in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT FOR CRIME!

Facts from the FBI and Department of Justice on blacks in America:

Blacks commit 56% of all robbery, despite only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Database

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Despite making up less than 7% of the US population, black males commit 1 in every 3 rapes. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Young black men kill 14X more than young white men. Source: Time Magazine
Blacks make up more than 50% of all homicide victims. Source: US Department of Justice

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

The Natives and the Left wing like people to believe that racism is the cause for these deaths but it is quite clear that Natives have only themselves to blame for the incivility within their culture

Is that you, Pierre Poilievre? "The root cause of Native violence is Natives."

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Cut the colonial BS out of this, facts are facts, and stats are stats. And according to the stats Natives are killing each other- NOT the "patriarchal, white boogyman." Oh, and more blacks are in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT FOR CRIME!

Facts from the FBI and Department of Justice on blacks in America:

Blacks commit 56% of all robbery, despite only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Database

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Despite making up less than 7% of the US population, black males commit 1 in every 3 rapes. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Young black men kill 14X more than young white men. Source: Time Magazine
Blacks make up more than 50% of all homicide victims. Source: US Department of Justice

(Read in the voice of Lewis Black)
You know what they say? There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians.

Raw data like that does not contain any form of root cause analysis, it does not ask the question why and does not tell a complete story. It is akin to saying smallpox killed 400,000-500,000 natives and then never asking why or how.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

White men "telling you how it is" about a deeply marginalized ethnic group on the internet.

Are white men not allowed to have an opinion? That's racist.

[PsYcNeT]

Hey guys what's going on in this threa...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hey guys what's going on in this threa...

The usual;

Black/poor/native people commit more crimes, so don't address root problems, instead blame and incarcerate them = profit!!

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by flameswin

The usual;

Black/poor/native people commit more crimes, so don't address root problems, instead blame and incarcerate them = profit!!

If someone commits a crime should they not be penalized for it?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Cut the colonial BS out of this, facts are facts, and stats are stats. And according to the stats Natives are killing each other- NOT the "patriarchal, white boogyman." Oh, and more blacks are in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT FOR CRIME!

Facts from the FBI and Department of Justice on blacks in America:

Blacks commit 56% of all robbery, despite only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Database

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Despite making up less than 7% of the US population, black males commit 1 in every 3 rapes. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Young black men kill 14X more than young white men. Source: Time Magazine
Blacks make up more than 50% of all homicide victims. Source: US Department of Justice

I'm curious: what is your explanation for these statistics? Because it sure sounds like you're saying white people commit fewer crimes because they're better people, not because they are generally more privileged...

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Cut the colonial BS out of this, facts are facts, and stats are stats. And according to the stats Natives are killing each other- NOT the "patriarchal, white boogyman." Oh, and more blacks are in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT FOR CRIME!

Facts from the FBI and Department of Justice on blacks in America:

Blacks commit 56% of all robbery, despite only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Database

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 12% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Despite making up less than 7% of the US population, black males commit 1 in every 3 rapes. Source: FBI Crime in America 2013 Report

Young black men kill 14X more than young white men. Source: Time Magazine
Blacks make up more than 50% of all homicide victims. Source: US Department of Justice

http://www.trc.ca/websites/trcinstit...ndex.php?p=890

If you do not at least read the executive summary than you have nothing to contribute to this discussion. There is time for opinions and there is time for learning. This is a time for learning, for all of us.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Dagger

If someone commits a crime should they not be penalized for it?

If a system breaks down should we not look at the reasons the system broke down?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

In Alberta Treaty 6&7 transferred ridiculous amounts of natural resources to the crown from people's who did not understand (and were not made aware) that the transfer was permanent. Then promises of farming knowledge and technology that were promised by the Crown went unfulfilled for years leading to epic starvation.

Without that unbalanced legal agreement our economy would not exist. So anyone who thinks that their position is simply a result of their life choices...needs to grab a book.

[Bownesian]

Be that as it may, we have the situation we have now and we should be imagining where we want to be in the future, not clinging to the past.

I really deplore the parts of our laws and constitution that give special status to people based on their ethnicity or historical origin. In my mind, that is inherently racist, regardless of how we ended up here (be it good or bad-faith negotiations). I understand that we inherit the system we do and have to operate within it, but I really think we should strive for more than an exquisitely funded reserve system and parallel (and thus duplicate and open for abuse) governments and social institutions.

In the future, I would like to see aboriginal Canadians have the same opportunities, legal status, governmental support and hope for a future as non-aboriginal ones, and have the law treat us people without racial distinction. I don't see how we can get out of the chronic institutionalized poverty and misery without getting to this point.

The question in my mind is how to get to this point, and I feel that a lot of the TRC recommendations (as well as the Treaties and the Indian Act), only serve to maintain the status quo.

I'd love to see a long-term (20 year?) plan for transitioning away from the system we have to one like I describe where there is no more Indian or Settler, since both of those terms are becoming less and less meaningful as time, immigration and racial intermixing continues.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

In Alberta Treaty 6&7 transferred ridiculous amounts of natural resources to the crown from people's who did not understand (and were not made aware) that the transfer was permanent. Then promises of farming knowledge and technology that were promised by the Crown went unfulfilled for years leading to epic starvation.

Without that unbalanced legal agreement our economy would not exist. So anyone who thinks that their position is simply a result of their life choices...needs to grab a book.

Or, perhaps more likely, without that legal agreement the area would have been embroiled in a war leading to a near total loss of all land claims for Western-Canadian First Nations and thousands of unnecessary deaths?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Sure...look at our American neighbors.

Doesn't really matter...about 150 years ago events transpired that resulted in a windfall for westerners that continues to this day.

[rubecube]

NDP continuing to surge, this time in Atlantic Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle24909370/

All of this follows in the wake of the latest good news for the official Opposition: a Corporate Research Associates poll that shows the New Democrats resurgent in Atlantic Canada – from 14 per cent to 29 per cent in the past three months – at the expense of Justin Trudeau’s Liberals, who sagged from 56 per cent to 43 per cent.

http://www.threehundredeight.com/201...-atlantic.html

The Liberals were down 2.1 points to 28.4%. They have dropped or have been stagnant for 10 consecutive months now, having polled at 39% at their peak. May's score was their worst since March 2013, or the month before Justin Trudeau became party leader.

I think it was Slava who was asking me why I thought Trudeau had completely blown this election because he was still polling higher than the other leaders at the time, and I think this kind of demonstrates what I was alluding to. It's pretty clear that they're trending in the wrong direction and Trudeau keeps seeing his numbers declining. We're obviously still a long ways out from November but I have a really hard time seeing the Liberals recovering from the C-51 fiasco.