CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who am I missing?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Oling - Not sure how I was inconspicuous. I believe I was the second vote on Girly after you, and then I was the first to vote for Mrjakjzkhghgkhz. As the last game showed, you can't fully trust anyone. I find all 3 of your claims flimsy and it has allowed you to have quite the voting block (along with Bizzaro). That's a lot of power for a group.

I don't have a claim, outside of being town like I'm sure everyone else would say. So yeah, it's flimsy.

What about Puxlut? How is her claim flimsy? Are you actually suggesting that the real Genetic Anomaly hasn't revealed?

SebC's claim is metagame but how everything went down, including Mazrim's response, pointed to town.

Trying to spread doubt on those two without any reason is cause enough for me to vote for you. If you think they are lying, put it into words as these are very important details. Far more than saving yourself would be, if you were actually town.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm a little surprised with the lack of activity here. I'm thinking if we had scum in the crosshairs there would be a little more push to get votes off people.

Since the Diss ship has set sail I'm switching my vote to someone else I think is a host. You've all seen my posts about him, but I'll give you the run down anyway.

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Vote: mrkajz44

He recycles ideas from other posters to vote for me, he says I am a driving force behind the activeStick lynch, he also uses hypothetical scum scenarios as a reason to vote for me. He does just enough to stay out of the spotlight posting wise, but isn't hunting much.

Oh and I believe he tried to get the heat off Diss when the votes were going his way, and now that the heat is off he hasn't said much.

It's funny that this statement generated the big on MrKajz. 6 votes in a few hours. Using HGs logic the quick rally on this vote is likely to be scum driven to some degree.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by devo22

That's funny as I'd put you in one of the more active category. For me it's just peanut that's been lurky and non committal. Everyone else has advanced an agenda.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who would you say is laying low today? The one for sure is peanut.

Bizaro, Timbo, HG, oling, diss, Seb, mrkajz have all been active

Party, Squiggs, me, you have been somewhat active

ECF is now active. Pux is town

Who am I missing?

Sorry, I meant laying low as in not influencing the vote and letting town start and end the pile on. Just a thought though.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

Sorry, I meant laying low as in not influencing the vote and letting town start and end the pile on. Just a thought though.

Who do you see doing this in particular?

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Trying to spread doubt on those two without any reason is cause enough for me to vote for you.

You voted for me before I spread doubt on those two.

Pux - my cause for doubt is that she threw her claim out there so early with no prodding. Probably helpful, but there is a possibility that she threw it out there to get ahead of the actual anomaly. After her claim, who would believe a counter claim? Say it was me (it's not), I counter claim and say I am the anomaly. Who believes me?

Anyways, sorry everyone but I really gotta run. Good luck!

[Oling_Roachinen]

East Coast Flame is smart guy. Smart enough to know that a Genetic Anomaly counterclaim would kill a host. The fact that there hasn't been one, shows that Puxlut is town and yet he's still casting doubt on it?

In the scenario that Puxlut was lying, the real Genetic Anomaly reveal would mean one of two things:
a) Puxlut was host
b) Puxlut was turned - which would make me host as a turned can't exist this round.

Since the Genetic Anomaly hasn't revealed it's safe to assume she's telling the truth, at least me, SebC, and GGG seem to be doing so. If East Coast Flame has any inclination that's not true he should have explained himself instead of just calling it flimsy.

I believe East Coast Flame is either scum, or worse, a townie who's more concerned with staying alive than killing host.

Can I point out that everyone that has voted mrkismias also voted for active and girly (except Lego, he voted Girly on the Active lynch)
You guys screwed up twice before, don't do it again! There's got to be 2 hosts in here somewhere...

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

who would believe a counter claim? Say it was me (it's not), I counter claim and say I am the anomaly. Who believes me?

Who cares? The goal isn't to live, it's to kill the host. If the Genetic Anomaly didn't reveal because he thought he might be lynched even though that would mean it would mean an instant host kill the next day, he's a selfish not-good player.

That's not the case, Puxlut is telling the truth.

[Party Elephant]

I've gone all the way back to Day 1 to do some digging. One thing that stuck out to me was ECF's urgency to get a vote through, regardless of who it was on. Some examples:

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I agree with this. Don't want it to come down to the wire and have people making panic votes right against the deadline.

Get some votes out there, put your reasoning behind them and lets get some discussion going.

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

So it looks like things are starting to quiet down. Time definitely isn't on our side here and I would suggest some folks start picking things up a bit. We don't want to be scrambling as the clock ticks down on us tomorrow night and we end up with a worst case scenario of no lynch.

By my count we are at:
-3 votes on Party
-2 votes on Active
-7 of us with one vote

That leaves 5 without a vote.

Devo noticed it too, and implied with this post that it didn't jive with him:

Originally Posted by devo22

Not really sure about GGG and East Coast Flame about their "we need to get a vote tonight!" rush

I've mentioned earlier that I think the scum's strategy has to revolve around forcing town lynches, and the best time to do that is early in the game when we're not really sure what's going on. The way ECF was posting on day 1 suggested he was nervous there would be no lynch. On day 1 there was a 14/17 chance of getting a townie with the lynch so obviously it would make sense for scum to be pushing the "Just vote, doesn't matter where but we need a lynch" agenda. The more town they can pick off early, the better their odds. In my opinion the spore is too unreliable for scum to base their strategy around it as once they send it off they have no control over who it goes to next. Hell, they might not even be using the spore at all. Just pass it around in a circle between the hosts to keep the town guessing.

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Hey gang, I got 15 minutes here before I gotta hit the highway to loser town for the Canada game tomorrow so I'll try and put my final thoughts in and answer some questions.

-the early death post: I saw the way the tides was going. With Oling and Seb voting for me, I figured Bizarro and Pux weren't far behind. I figured Peanut would probably jump on at the end. Looks like that has mostly come to pass.

-GGG's reasoning for me (and the only reasoning I can find against me so far...) is for trying to divert from HG. Yeah, I did try and divert because I think he is town and everyone was hammering him - wanted to start some new discussions.

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Vote: mrkajz44

Had my vote on him almost the entire (game) day. Still high on my list.

Oling and Seb - would love to hear any explanation at all from either of you as to your votes. The silence is incredible. Everyone else - make sure you push them for an answer tomorrow if I do get lynched.

Of the current frontrunners, I'm not really on board with lynching mrkajz. I don't really see enough of a strategy in his posts to think scum. In my opinion hockeyguy is the most scummy, but my recent analysis has got me thinking ECF could be scum as well. Would make sense that the two scum with heat on them collaborate to vote for the other frontrunner. I'd like to see either get lynched, so I'm comfortable moving my vote.
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vote: East Coast Flame

And IRL, hope you guys all have a great weekend! ECF, I'm jealous you're going to the Canada game. Looks like fun!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

You guys screwed up twice before, don't do it again!

do you think voting for mrkajz is "screwing up" at this point? Honest question. You're the one I trust the most (obviously) and if you think it's a bad idea I'd love to hear your reasons. Like I said previously, his posting style reminds me a lot of the time when I played scum and that's why I have been pretty comfortable with my vote.

[SebC]

Looks like some of you need a bit of persuasion.

Once again, my mason telepath knows what's up. If he's scum, I'm not the one to bust him because apparently I'm completely transparent to him.

Originally Posted by Bizaro86

SebC is playing a strategy that is practically designed to draw negative attention to himself.

One of the things I thought a commitment to a low-information environment would do is aggravate scum. If nobody's a target, everyone could be a target. Scum would want information so they know who to defend, and from what. This makes their job a lot tougher.

It would also make me an easy-to-justify target, after all the reasoning comes straight from the mod. I tried to subtlely move votes of activeStick because I believed him and thought it an opportunity to build town cred to offset that - to balance things enough that I don't get lynched, but still get targetted. (I thought that Mazrim's message would end that, but even in his deathpost ECF is still targeting me, and the other towniest townies.)

Two players have stuck to their guns against me on this. GGG and ECF. GGG, at least, seems to sincerely believe in what he's preaching. ECF, however, even noted that he was getting flack for being inconspicuous. I even got an emotional response out of him.

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Im here too, looks like my Seb feelings arent going through even though whatever he is saying is bull####.

Then there's this. P#329 for context.

In my case, I don't feel great about either of the frontrunners at the moment so I don't want to change my vote yet.

I'm kind of amazed at the free pass that SebC, Lego and Peanut seem to be getting.

Why would ECF "not feel good" about lynching activeStick, then advocate lynching inactives? I think he knew activeStick was going to flip town, and wanted to distance himself.

Add in the strange death post (going after Puxlut, really?) and the unwillingness of the "town" to lynch ECF despite having likely townies leading the way and I think we might've just seen the effectiveness of limiting scum's reaction time to a day.

Originally Posted by devo22

do you think voting for mrkajz is "screwing up" at this point? Honest question. You're the one I trust the most (obviously) and if you think it's a bad idea I'd love to hear your reasons. Like I said previously, his posting style reminds me a lot of the time when I played scum and that's why I have been pretty comfortable with my vote.

It's just that there have been posts by mrkrazy that I have found my self thinking "THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO!!!" Either he's a freakin mind reader or we're thinking the same.

[Timbo]

Oh fricking great now I don't know what to do. SebC to what degree of certainty do you think ECF is scum

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Oh fricking great now I don't know what to do. SebC to what degree of certainty do you think ECF is scum

Keeping in mind that people I'm neutral on are about 25% based on who I think are probably town, I'd say ECF is around 45%. There's one other person who's about the same but I think I learn more from an ECF lynch. I'm certainly not going to pull a Hockeyguy15 and say 100%.

[mrkajz44]

No mind-reading here Pux, though it is a power I'd love, especially now!

Now that work is over, I reviewed the sequence of events today and still feel surprised. ECF does the "death post" and then HG comes along right after and votes for me (leading the town again as has been pointed out) and then vote run up was a bit abrupt. I just can't help but feel like it was a scum plan to get the votes going. The sequence was just too close together and the events seem linked.

1) ECF posts a town like death post
2) HG comes along and moves votes
3) Squiggs and Timbo jump on board quickly
4) Lego shows up and moves over to me
5) ECF comes back at the end of the day and moves over to me

Of course, there are town in here, but the sequence was so sudden it just seems like it was planned. Wait until the final day and then throw a plan in motion. I still think HG is the ring-leader though, and at first I thought he may have just capitalized on ECFs deathpost, but the way it went just seems like they were ready for that, almost back to back.

[Timbo]

I'm going to re-read his posts again.

[devo22]

alright, I can get behind the arguments made by Elephant and SebC. Plus ECF coming back some time after his death post to defend himself and - more importantly - move his vote to mrkajz does reek of desperation to save his life more than anything else.

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vote East Coast Flame

[SebC]

East Coast Flame, if you're here, I have a question. But I'm not going to ask if you're not around.