2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[868904]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It would take more than that. Wotherspoon has looked lost in his time in the NHL. I doubt he turns out to be much more of a tweener. He looked overwhelmed in his game against he Jets and Hartley couldn't even put him on the ice during the playoffs without some serious sheltering. Granlund is a nice bottom of the rotation forward on an OK NHL team. Debatable whether or not he could even crack the Hawks line up. And a mid-round first has probably 30-40% chance of becoming an NHL regular ?

If I were the Flames I would think any serious offer for Seabrook (without giving up one of their core pieces) would start at Piorier+1st. If you can get Seabrook to sign an extension, you would likely have to add more.

I seriously doubt Wotherspoon and Granlund have much value across the league. Every team has similar pieces in their organization already.

Certainly, the Hawks will get a better offer than two bottom rotation guys, who have yet to establish themselves as NHL regulars, and a mid first for a guy who can play top-two mins on any team in the league and still has 3-5 years of good to great hockey left in the tank.

I think you are being way too critical of Wotherspoon. He just passed the 100 game mark in the AHL and still has less AHL games than TJ Brodie ever had.

Yes he struggled against the Jets, but that was a nothing game with zero commitment from both teams to play defense.

A young rookie with fewer than 20 games being sheltered in the playoffs is nothing.

And you can't compare how much Sam Bennett played to Wotherspoon. Bennett was a potential number 1 overall pick and a forward, the position is completely different. Bennett can make mistakes and it won't be as glaring as a defenseman.

But if you have to compare, it's better to compare Granlund's or Shore's minutes in the playoffs to Wotherspoon's.

This IS a big summer for Wotherspoon, but I think he still has time and the potential to be a legitimate top 4.

[Phanuthier]

Blows my mind that some people are writing Wotherspoon off... struggled a bit last year, but he was coming off a major injury and never got into his groove. I know the Flames management are still high on him.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'll admit I'm more caught up in the idea of Seabrook helping the team now but that shouldn't be the goal. For what it would cost, I don't know if it would be worth it or if it would just put us back where we were a few years ago. I'd much rather go after Dougie Hamilton with an offer sheet as it wouldn't cost us anything that's in our system right now unless a trade could be made that's a bit of both.

I agree. If were going to be giving up a bunch of assets I rather get a younger player who can play solid hockey for us for the next decade. At 30 Seabrook is far from old but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a guy like Hamilton. With Hamilton there is the risk he doesn't quite pan out as you hope but there is also risk with Seabrook that he starts to regress in a few years. You'd likely give up pretty similar packages for both.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Blows my mind that some people are writing Wotherspoon off... struggled a bit last year, but he was coming off a major injury and never got into his groove. I know the Flames management are still high on him.

It doesn't really matter what fans think as the Flames simply aren't in position to write off any of their prospective defensemen. He will get a solid opportunity to make the team in training camp but he's going to have to earn it because Hartley doesn't hand out spots to players that aren't earning it.

[Demetric]

what do you think it would take to get either or both of Smith and Krug out of Boston?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Demetric

what do you think it would take to get either or both of Smith and Krug out of Boston?

More then they are worth.

Nice pieces but not anything you would want to overpay for IMO.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Demetric

what do you think it would take to get either or both of Smith and Krug out of Boston?

It would probably cost Iggy.

I don't think those are the guys that we need to focus on if we're targeting the B's. They're going to want to keep as many lower end contracts as possible and would more likely trade guys like Marchand. I still say we throw an offer sheet at Hamilton.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Poe969

It would probably cost Iggy.

I don't think those are the guys that we need to focus on if we're targeting the B's. They're going to want to keep as many lower end contracts as possible and would more likely trade guys like Marchand. I still say we throw an offer sheet at Hamilton.

Marchand only making 1 more mil than the other 2. - Boston Salaries

Think a late 2nd be good enough?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Boston Salaries

A site that shows contact clauses, thank you.

[Poe969]

I'm not sure if Marchand would be right for this team, I'd love to have him here but I just don't know if he fits the Flames identity. I'm sure the bruins are going to have a bit of a fire sale and I think we should target them either to offer sheet Hamilton (my dream) or get guys like Marchand or whomever for pennies on the dollar.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think you are being way too critical of Wotherspoon. He just passed the 100 game mark in the AHL and still has less AHL games than TJ Brodie ever had.

Yes he struggled against the Jets, but that was a nothing game with zero commitment from both teams to play defense.

A young rookie with fewer than 20 games being sheltered in the playoffs is nothing.

And you can't compare how much Sam Bennett played to Wotherspoon. Bennett was a potential number 1 overall pick and a forward, the position is completely different. Bennett can make mistakes and it won't be as glaring as a defenseman.

But if you have to compare, it's better to compare Granlund's or Shore's minutes in the playoffs to Wotherspoon's.

This IS a big summer for Wotherspoon, but I think he still has time and the potential to be a legitimate top 4.

He doesn't have much trade value right now, which is where this discussion originated. Agree or disagree?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm not sure if Marchand would be right for this team, I'd love to have him here but I just don't know if he fits the Flames identity. I'm sure the bruins are going to have a bit of a fire sale and I think we should target them either to offer sheet Hamilton (my dream) or get guys like Marchand or whomever for pennies on the dollar.

I think that he's one of their top priorities. They'll sell off a lot of other assets before they let Dougie Hamilton go. So I'd rather wait until someone else offer sheets him, forcing the Bruins to match and then that's when the Flames swoop in to poach some decent assets off of them so the Bruins aren't in cap hell.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by heep223

He doesn't have much trade value right now, which is where this discussion originated. Agree or disagree?

I think Wotherspoon has more trade value than some want to believe. These steady eddy D-men are a longer development guys but they almost always make it in some degree.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I think that he's one of their top priorities. They'll sell off a lot of other assets before they let Dougie Hamilton go. So I'd rather wait until someone else offer sheets him, forcing the Bruins to match and then that's when the Flames swoop in to poach some decent assets off of them so the Bruins aren't in cap hell.

or do what the sharks did to the hawks when they signed hjrmlsn to an offer sheet, the hawks matched and then the sharks signed niemi. We could be the team that offer sheets Hamilton and then makes an offer on guys. I know the B's probably wouldn't want to deal with the Flames after doing that but maybe you tell them that if they give you a good deal in a trade first, you won't do it. I don't know..... Somehow I just hope the Flames target the bruins.

[Racki]

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[Weitz]

Originally Posted by iggysback05

https://twitter.com/MikeChambers/sta...38546212577280

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[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by heep223

He doesn't have much trade value right now, which is where this discussion originated. Agree or disagree?

Too lazy to track in this mega thread, but I don't think he's being traded... hard to say, but I think he would still have very good trade value since he's a young D who looks like he is on the verge of a NHL spot IMO, has a lot of upside and the general position for top 4 D in the NHL is very very weak.

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by iggysback05

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[heep223]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Too lazy to track in this mega thread, but I don't think he's being traded... hard to say, but I think he would still have very good trade value since he's a young D who looks like he is on the verge of a NHL spot IMO, has a lot of upside and the general position for top 4 D in the NHL is very very weak.

It came from this speculation for Seabrook:

Originally Posted by dying4acup

If Seabrook does become available, I throw a big package up.

He shoots right so...
Gio-seabrook
Brodie-Wideman
Russell-Engellend

That gives you a balanced top 6, with versatility, and a puck mover and size balance on every pair. Good physicality. A cup winning D!

Only question is the return. Our 1st+Wotherspoon+Granlund?

[JohnnySkittles]

Mike Chambers reporting that the Avs have already signed Radulov?

Quote:
I do believe the Avs are trying to sign/have signed Russian F Alex Radulov and are high on draft-eligible Czech Republic C Pavel Zacha (who would likely need at least a year to further develop).

http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2015...ek-ryan/21472/