[Signing] Flames sign Jon Gillies to 3 yr ELC (Contract starts now). Joins team in Vancouver.

[CKPThunder]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

A team can always sign a college player and then plant him in juniors for a year.

That happened with Mike Comrie.

The team would also then be free to bring the guy up and down from juniors with impunity as he wasn't drafted out of major juniors.

If memory serves me correctly, I am pretty sure that Mike Comrie left college and went to the WHL and would have been declared a UFA that summer if the Oilers didn't sign him before the deadline. I think he was using the Mike Van Ryn loophole that I believe has been closed now.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The team would also then be free to bring the guy up and down from juniors with impunity as he wasn't drafted out of major juniors.

Any paperwork on this? Seems hinky.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

A team can always sign a college player and then plant him in juniors for a year.

That happened with Mike Comrie.

The team would also then be free to bring the guy up and down from juniors with impunity as he wasn't drafted out of major juniors.

Yeah, it could happen in the first 2 or 3 years but like I said they can't stay in college so the player is giving up his college education. It's still an 'either or' situation which handcuffs the NHL team and the player with the NCAA calling the shots while using the antiquated amateur status to get away with it.

I'm not saying these colleges are making money off their hockey programs but they are making money off their basketball and football programs while paying their athletes nothing. It's a great scam based on a false premise.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Any paperwork on this? Seems hinky.

I can't find anything that says you can't do it in the CBA. The CBA forces NHL teams who drafted U-20 players out of juniors to return them to juniors if those players do not make the NHL.

If a player is drafted out of Europe or the NCAA route they can play wherever the parent club wishes before the age of 20. Max Pacioretty played in the AHL at 19. Nick Bergfors at 18. The Oilers had a couple of players in Pitlick and Khaira leave college to play juniors.

The scenario you plucked out isn't likely to happen though. If a club thinks a player needs additional seasoning its pretty likely that player would remain in juniors for an entire season. If they think the player is close to ready they just start him in the AHL.

Mike Comrie started the season in the WHL and went directly to the NHL halfway through the season. So it has been done at least once, but its not a route that is possible for CHL drafted players.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, it could happen in the first 2 or 3 years but like I said they can't stay in college so the player is giving up his college education. It's still an 'either or' situation which handcuffs the NHL team and the player with the NCAA calling the shots while using the antiquated amateur status to get away with it.

I'm not saying these colleges are making money off their hockey programs but they are making money off their basketball and football programs while paying their athletes nothing. It's a great scam based on a false premise.

Yeah the NCAA and Major Junior are pretty similar in that regard. Both take advantage of kids trying to make the show and make big bucks off of them while paying them nothing.

I'd say there are some flexibilty advantages for both the team and the player when drafting players going the college route. Teams get longer to decide if the want to sign a guy. Players potentially can go to the AHL sooner, or become a free agent.

If an NHL team hasn't signed a player by the start of his 4th season I think its fair enough that the player gets a chance to go to any NHL team. They could always move his rights if they have offered him a contract in years 2-3 and he won't take it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I can't find anything that says you can't do it in the CBA. The CBA forces NHL teams who drafted U-20 players out of juniors to return them to juniors if those players do not make the NHL.

If a player is drafted out of Europe or the NCAA route they can play wherever the parent club wishes before the age of 20. Max Pacioretty played in the AHL at 19. Nick Bergfors at 18. The Oilers had a couple of players in Pitlick and Khaira leave college to play juniors.

The scenario you plucked out isn't likely to happen though. If a club thinks a player needs additional seasoning its pretty likely that player would remain in juniors for an entire season. If they think the player is close to ready they just start him in the AHL.

Mike Comrie started the season in the WHL and went directly to the NHL halfway through the season. So it has been done at least once, but its not a route that is possible for CHL drafted players.

I plucked out what?

I'm just wondering if you can point out where a guy who was drafted out of College and went to the CHL could then be recalled and demoted from the NHL willy nilly.

Mike Comrie just flat out left the Kootenay Ice didn't he? Don't think he was "recalled" by the Oilers.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Any paperwork on this? Seems hinky.

https://youtu.be/VdPciselWuo?t=12s

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I plucked out what?

I'm just wondering if you can point out where a guy who was drafted out of College and went to the CHL could then be recalled and demoted from the NHL willy nilly.

Mike Comrie just flat out left the Kootenay Ice didn't he? Don't think he was "recalled" by the Oilers.

When Comrie left the University of Michigan to play in Kootenay it was to give himself more leverage. The Oilers were than forced to sign him or lose his rights. Kevin Lowe is still bitter about it to this day.

Back than college players were drafted as 19 year olds. So Comrie played one year as a 19 year old, than went to Junior as an overage player. Because he was a junior player with no more Junior eligibility left he was due to become a UFA if not signed. Whereas a NCAA player the teams had their rights for a longer period of time.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I can't find anything that says you can't do it in the CBA. The CBA forces NHL teams who drafted U-20 players out of juniors to return them to juniors if those players do not make the NHL.

Any player assigned to the CHL cannot be recalled until their CHL season is finished (unless it is an emergency recall). Doesn't matter what league they were drafted out of. It's not a CBA thing, it's a NHL/CHL agreement thing.

[Bingo]

Gillies tabbed as top Calgary prospect for the season by the Hockey News
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ry...-30-nhl-teams/

Calgary: Jon Gillies – The big netminder helped Providence College to a national title by fending off Jack Eichel’s Terriers, plus he led the conference in GAA and save percentage.

[Red Menace]

ahead of Sam Bennett?

[Bingo]

yeah that was my thought too ...

games played no, but the dude played in the playoffs at 18

[Bingo]

yeah that was my thought too ...

games played no, but the dude played in the playoffs at 18

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I would go with Gillies there too.

As a prospect Bennett didn't have an amazing year, he was injured for it.

As an NHL graduate he was really good.

Nobody on the list has any NHL experience so that makes sense there too.

[Vulcan]

To qualify, a player must still have Calder Trophy eligibility for next season, so excellent youngsters like Detroit’s Teemu Pulkkinen or Boston’s David Pastrnak don’t count. The winners below have impressed me with what they accomplished at their particular level of development – otherwise, it would just be a list of older prospects from the AHL who are on the cusp of NHL jobs.

Bennett qualifies under those terms. Strange.

[heep223]

Maybe he just assumes Bennett is basically no longer a prospect, given Treliving's recent comments about how he'll be on the starting roster. Unlikely that he follows the Flames that closely but who knows I guess.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I would go with Gillies there too.

As a prospect Bennett didn't have an amazing year, he was injured for it.

As an NHL graduate he was really good.

Nobody on the list has any NHL experience so that makes sense there too.

I agree with this. Bennett is a prospect and is only 18 but he will likely make the Flames team next season. I think most would be surprised if he didn't.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

I agree with this. Bennett is a prospect and is only 18 but he will likely make the Flames team next season. I think most would be surprised if he didn't.

He won't likely. Treliving said he has made the team. He'll be on the roster next season.

[polak]

Gillies could be genuinely more exciting? Haven't followed him much but didn't he kill it last year while Sam was out most of the season?

[Red Menace]

I guess he is talking about who had the best season last year? not necessarily who is the best prospect?
Under those qualifications, I guess you could make a good case for Gillies, since Bennett was injured pretty much the whole year.