2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Oahienifnthe had one hell of a season. We probably don't have the assets to acquire him.

Oahienifnthe is so post apex though. I could definatly see Edmonton offering him 6x6 to play on their back end or tied to the net like a tutor shooter.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by codynw

He's older and not as good as Hudler.

I agree, but his contract situation is much more appealing though. We need the services of Hudler (or similar) likely beyond next season, but not for multiple seasons. Sharp being on contract for 2 years including the next is actually pretty optimal for the Flames needs right now. Hudler expiring at the end of next season, coming of his best career years is very sub optimal because we likely would like to benefit from Hudler for more than next year, but likely won't want to pay the price or term commitment he'll get on his next contract.

I'm not convinced we want Sharp regardless, or in place of Hudler, but I do think the Flames still need a Hudler type for a few more seasons to help round out the roster. Hudler is likely not a good options after next year because he'll likely be priced out of the Flames long term plans in both price and contract term after this year (he'll get to much money for too long for the Flames to pay a 33 year old declining player at that point).

Makes you wonder if the Flames shouldn't be exploring something like swapping Hudler for Sharp if you can get Sharp for cheap due to the Hawks cap woes and if you can maximize Hudler's value right now with him coming off his best career year. Lots of downside to a move like this in the short term too, but long term you have to think the Flames are thinking about these types of things.

[Poe969]

I'd look at picking up Sharp and keeping Hudler and then either trade Hudler at the deadline if the Flames are out of it. Trading Hudler before this season would be good too as he's coming off of a great year. I still think Hudler to Florida in a bigger deal that includes the 11th overall. That way Hudler and Jagr can play together!

[Bourque's Twin]

Sharp would be a fantastic mentor for Bennett on the 2nd line. It could be similar to how Hudler has mentored Gaudreau and Monahan.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Ferland - Bennett - Sharp
Bouma - Backlund - Colborne
Bollig - Stajan/Jooris - Jones

[sureLoss]

I think the Panthers are likely a front runner for Sharp.

They need RW depth. Former Dale Tallon player. Have the cap space. Owner pressure to make the playoffs. Hawks trade a potential difference maker out of conference.

[Poe969]

I think that's why we can offer them Hudler, or at least I hope that's why.

[sinceAtlanta]

sharp/williams would be good acquisitions.

if not ...

ufa soderberg (6-3, 216) might be worth a good try -- 29, big, talented, versatile, and may not have hit his "NHL" peak yet.

mcquaid, also with a bruins ufa, may be a good target, as well -- 28, 6-5, 210, rugged slot-cleaner, RH shot ... could help soldify all 3 'D' pairings by having Gio, Bodie and Russell each headman a unit.

[Captaincanada80]

More I look at it, flames will likely pull off a deal or 2 to re-shape the top 6

Hawks, Philly, Boston Kings all in cap hell

Carolina, Arizona & Ottawa looking to shed salary

Then the disappointment of St.Louis, islanders, Pittsburgh and Dallas all looking for a shake up.

Could see 2 guys (Sharp and Williams) brought in to fill the void for the next 2-3 years while building through the draft.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Sharp would be a fantastic mentor for Bennett on the 2nd line. It could be similar to how Hudler has mentored Gaudreau and Monahan.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Ferland - Bennett - Sharp
Bouma - Backlund - Colborne
Bollig - Stajan/Jooris - Jones

No thanks to having Sharp in the room. Of course there have been a lot of rumors about him being bad in the room but the guy is a grade A ###hole. Pretty much the opposite of Hudler.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Makes you wonder if the Flames shouldn't be exploring something like swapping Hudler for Sharp if you can get Sharp for cheap due to the Hawks cap woes and if you can maximize Hudler's value right now with him coming off his best career year. Lots of downside to a move like this in the short term too, but long term you have to think the Flames are thinking about these types of things.

One thing to consider is Sharp has almost 870 NHL games on that body vs Hulder at 670 NHL games, in addition to 2 years older. Much of that in the past 3 years. With so many late 20s players breaking down due to # of games played over so many playoffs (see LA Kings) I'd wouldn't think of Sharp (or Williams) as any sort of upgrade or replacement for Hudler. In fact, I'd stay away from Williams entirely and wouldn't give up more than a mid round pick for Sharp (I'm sure other teams may offer more).

[Roof-Daddy]

Williams is a UFA and will likely want a decent sized contract, and he's 33 years old.
Sharp would need to be traded for, and that would cost the Flames (a young rebuilding team) young assets for a 33 year old.

Neither of these moves make much sense for what the Flames are trying to accomplish right now.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I agree, but his contract situation is much more appealing though. We need the services of Hudler (or similar) likely beyond next season, but not for multiple seasons. Sharp being on contract for 2 years including the next is actually pretty optimal for the Flames needs right now. Hudler expiring at the end of next season, coming of his best career years is very sub optimal because we likely would like to benefit from Hudler for more than next year, but likely won't want to pay the price or term commitment he'll get on his next contract.

I'm not convinced we want Sharp regardless, or in place of Hudler, but I do think the Flames still need a Hudler type for a few more seasons to help round out the roster. Hudler is likely not a good options after next year because he'll likely be priced out of the Flames long term plans in both price and contract term after this year (he'll get to much money for too long for the Flames to pay a 33 year old declining player at that point).

Makes you wonder if the Flames shouldn't be exploring something like swapping Hudler for Sharp if you can get Sharp for cheap due to the Hawks cap woes and if you can maximize Hudler's value right now with him coming off his best career year. Lots of downside to a move like this in the short term too, but long term you have to think the Flames are thinking about these types of things.

I like this strategy of extending a veteran presence a little longer, but not too long. I'm in the camp that believes the Flames should not be extending Hudler after this year, despite how good a contributor and presence he has been for them, as the term he will be looking for would be a minimum of three years, IMO. I don't know enough about Sharp's current play to say he is the guy but I like the thought of extending the veteran presence longer than one more year but less than three. You could trade Hudler at the coming year's TDL for a good asset and, presumably, you would be able to do the same thing with Sharp the following TDL.

I was a fan of the Hudler deal right from the beginning and he has exceeded my expectations so I'm not a hater, in the least. One of the things Treliving said after the season was over was that they needed to take some time and reflect upon the year in order to remove some of the emotional attachment (paraphrasing here) that builds up in a run like the Flames had. I was wondering at the time whether he was thinking about a player like Hudler and whether getting value for an asset may be more important than sticking with a player who has meant so much to the team.

I'm not sure if I've seen this brought up in other discussions about potentially extending Hudler but many people here said that the Iggy trade was executed a season (or two) too late to get full value for him. How old was Iggy when he, ideally, should have been traded? Are we running the same risk of the same situation with Hudler if we offer him another contract? For those posters who are saying we should extend Hudler because of what he means to the team, does he mean more than Iggy did at the same point in his contract?

Of course, you have to take into consideration what a team would offer for Hudler. If he was traded this off-season, what teams (other than Chicago) would potentially be in the market for him?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

No thanks to having Sharp in the room. Of course there have been a lot of rumors about him being bad in the room but the guy is a grade A ###hole. Pretty much the opposite of Hudler.

I've never heard of this. Source? Am I the only one that didn't know about this?

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I've never heard of this. Source? Am I the only one that didn't know about this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...195228660.html

There are off-ice issues with Sharp. There may have been a physical altercation with a teammate (and a very important one). Let’s just say the image of Sharp as a wholesome family man with his two daughters is not an accurate picture. There may be other problems.

MOD EDIT: NO links or discussion about a player's sex life.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I've never heard of this. Source? Am I the only one that didn't know about this?

Just prior to the deadline, some purple monkey dishwasher rumors came out about Sharp regarding his personal escapades.

It's not good manners to go into detail about said rumors so I doubt you'll get the TMZ version here.

As for class A a-hole... I have no idea. His public persona is pretty stellar with the charity and youth work he does.

[Azhouse]

MOD EDIT: Don't go there, please.

[ComixZone]

Yeah, no need to discuss that stuff - also it's no reason to write off anyone. People are people and hockey is hockey.

Pronger left Edmonton under controversy and then won a Cup in Anaheim.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, no need to discuss that stuff - also it's no reason to write off anyone. People are people and hockey is hockey.

Pronger left Edmonton under controversy and then won a Cup in Anaheim.

Carter and Richards both had their fair share of issues in Philly too. They both won with LA.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It still isn't a good enough reason for management not to go for Sharp. He'd be a huge upgrade to our 2nd line.

The off ice issues are for Sharp and Sharp only.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It still isn't a good enough reason for management not to go for Sharp. He'd be a huge upgrade to our 2nd line.

The off ice issues are for Sharp and Sharp only.

No, but the probable price to acquire him should be all the reason in the world for Flames management not to go for Sharp.

Sharp won't make us a legit Cup contender next season, but the pieces we'd probably give up to get him might help the Flames to that status 3+ seasons from now.