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Old 06-02-2015, 09:19 AM   #2661
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Then he was dealing from strength, this off season he will be dealing from (cap) weakness so the asking price will lower.

I think a 2nd and a C prospect is realistic.
Just like the Blackhawks dealing from a position of weakness (cap) last year prevented Bowman from getting a 3rd for Bollig.
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That's why I said possible replacement and not that he's definitely a replacement. If Hudler asks for too much money or management decides to trade him at arguably his highest value, Sharp could be that veteran presence that's won the cup and knows what it takes to win. If we had both of them and traded them both at the deadline for some reason, they'd fetch a lot.

I do still think Sharp would offer a lot to this team now though and would come very affordable, especially if a team gives Saad an expensive offer sheet.
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Old 06-02-2015, 09:49 AM   #2663
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are you allowed to send $$$ as part of a trade? With all the issues PHX is having that could be something of value to them, if allowed. Say like paying for the Ribeiro buyout $$$
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It's not like we are going to re-sign him. We'll use him for those 2 years and then both will part ways. The 5.9m will be spent elsewhere.
Yup he would be here to help mention the younger players and provide top 6 play for 2 years then likely moves on. I would rather get a guy like Oahienifnthe cost is the same butninsuspect Sharp will come cheaper
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are you allowed to send $$$ as part of a trade? With all the issues PHX is having that could be something of value to them, if allowed. Say like paying for the Ribeiro buyout $$$
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Yup he would be here to help mention the younger players and provide top 6 play for 2 years then likely moves on. I would rather get a guy like Oahienifnthe cost is the same butninsuspect Sharp will come cheaper
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Justin Williams is a RW, the same age as Sharp and is a pending UFA. I'd rather go that route than give up decent prospects for Sharp.
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Yup he would be here to help mention the younger players and provide top 6 play for 2 years then likely moves on. I would rather get a guy like Oahienifnthe cost is the same butninsuspect Sharp will come cheaper
Oahienifnthe had one hell of a season. We probably don't have the assets to acquire him.
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Justin Williams is a RW, the same age as Sharp and is a pending UFA. I'd rather go that route than give up decent prospects for Sharp.
Williams will get a huge UFA contract though. Flames shouldn't be the team that gives that to him.

If they can get Sharp for a prospect that isn't in the team's plans and a mid level pick, I wouldn't be against it.
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shouldn't this thread be retired?
Any potential trades are for the 2015-16 season.
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Old 06-02-2015, 10:08 AM   #2671
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Williams will get a huge UFA contract though. Flames shouldn't be the team that gives that to him.

If they can get Sharp for a prospect that isn't in the team's plans and a mid level pick, I wouldn't be against it.
Sharp's cap hit is 5.9 for 2 more years. Will Williams get that much more than what Sharp is making? I guess it's possible, but even if it were close you're not giving up any assets.

Either one of these players is basically a stop gap for a couple years until the Flames can fill those spots with younger players in the 25 year old group. If Sharp can be had for cheap, fine with me.
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Sharp's cap hit is 5.9 for 2 more years. Will Williams get that much more than what Sharp is making? I guess it's possible, but even if it were close you're not giving up any assets.

Either one of these players is basically a stop gap for a couple years until the Flames can fill those spots with younger players in the 25 year old group. If Sharp can be had for cheap, fine with me.
I think Williams is looking for a 3-5 year deal with 5m. If we can get him to a 3 year x 5, awesome. If not, go for Sharp since we only have to pay him for 2 years.
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Sharp's cap hit is 5.9 for 2 more years. Will Williams get that much more than what Sharp is making? I guess it's possible, but even if it were close you're not giving up any assets.

Either one of these players is basically a stop gap for a couple years until the Flames can fill those spots with younger players in the 25 year old group. If Sharp can be had for cheap, fine with me.
All things being equal, you will end up paying either by $$ to make up for acquisition cost.

UFA will more then likely cost more (in dollars or by term) vs a trade.
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UFA will more then likely cost more (in dollars or by term) vs a trade.
Term I can see for sure, dollars I guess I'm not sold on. Is Williams worth 6+? I guess he could be. I see your point though, perhaps it would make more sense to trade for Sharp, keep him for a couple years and see what happens. I wouldn't want Williams on a 4 or 5 year deal. Even 3 years would be pushing it imo.
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I think the reason Williams would be a bad fit is because at this stage of his career, he'll want term and dollars and because of his playoff success he'll likely get it. Some team will pick him up and over pay for him not because they need him to make the playoffs but to help them in the playoffs and will get into a bidding war. The Flames don't need that. They can get arguably a better player in Sharp for only 2 years and then see what happens. I think Sharp would help the younger guys out a lot too. Geez, anyone from the hawks would. I mean look at how Bolig stepped up in the playoffs for the Flames. If Sharp could not only bring that compete but teach the younger guys what takes and how to handle themselves, it would be beneficial.
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Old 06-02-2015, 01:28 PM   #2677
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I think the reason Williams would be a bad fit is because at this stage of his career, he'll want term and dollars and because of his playoff success he'll likely get it. Some team will pick him up and over pay for him not because they need him to make the playoffs but to help them in the playoffs and will get into a bidding war. The Flames don't need that. They can get arguably a better player in Sharp for only 2 years and then see what happens. I think Sharp would help the younger guys out a lot too. Geez, anyone from the hawks would. I mean look at how Bolig stepped up in the playoffs for the Flames. If Sharp could not only bring that compete but teach the younger guys what takes and how to handle themselves, it would be beneficial.
But for these exact same reasons a playoff contender would want Sharp over Williams.

Lets also not forget Sharp has a limited NTC where he lists the 10 teams that he will accept a trade to 48 hours prior to a trade.
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And lets hope we're on that list and that a reasonable deal can be made...
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I would love to get Sharp to give Shore pointers.
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Not just shore, I think he could help mentor a lot of secondary scoring guys and even younger guys who are going to be primary scoring guys. I think he'd really help Bennett out a lot too.
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