CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Anyway no point in debating that anymore. You think leaving the infected for the agent is the right play, I think lynching the infected (this time) is the right play. I doubt either of us will change their mind on that.

I want to make sure we agree on the logic behind the decision because on the underlying logic for how to make the choice I am right. If your reason for lynching is to stop the spore you are wrong.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

The question to ask on whether to lynch girly or not is

Is it more likely that girly is host or a turned agent OR that she is unturned. If scenario one is more likely lynch girly, if scenario 2 is more likely lynch someone else.

I disagree.

I think Girly is just a turned vanilla passenger, I'm 100% sure of it. Had she said right away she was not turned I would agree that we let the agent handle it since we wouldn't know if she was lying or not. Since she is turned she is now working with the hosts and for all intents and purposes she is against us.

She is a threat to us winning, and she is an extra vote that can sway a lynch the way the hosts want. She is the sure thing in my mind, more so than anyone's arguments for a host.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by GGG

Question for Mazrim

Can a host name anyone's name in a message or is that considered alluding to who they are by saying who they are not.

Read the description again. If you're trying to ask if they can use the message to get the turned to target someone else, that is not something I can stop them from doing.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I disagree.

I think Girly is just a turned vanilla passenger, I'm 100% sure of it. Had she said right away she was not turned I would agree that we let the agent handle it since we wouldn't know if she was lying or not. Since she is turned she is now working with the hosts and for all intents and purposes she is against us.

She is a threat to us winning, and she is an extra vote that can sway a lynch the way the hosts want. She is the sure thing in my mind, more so than anyone's arguments for a host.

I'm with this thinking.
Anyone who has been in contact with the spore is suspect to me!

[Mazrim]

Vote Count

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 6 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn't Voted (8): devo22, Puxlut, Peanut, Party Elephant, SebC, mrkajz44, Hockeyguy15, GirlySports

Voted:
GirlySports (4): Oling_Roachinen, East Coast Flame, dissentowner, Timbo
Timbo (3): Lego Man, bizaro86, GGG
Peanut (1): squiggs96

The deadline is Monday, June 1st at 10:00 PM Mountain Time. Hammer cannot be dropped before Thursday, May 28th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I disagree.

I think Girly is just a turned vanilla passenger, I'm 100% sure of it. Had she said right away she was not turned I would agree that we let the agent handle it since we wouldn't know if she was lying or not. Since she is turned she is now working with the hosts and for all intents and purposes she is against us.

She is a threat to us winning, and she is an extra vote that can sway a lynch the way the hosts want. She is the sure thing in my mind, more so than anyone's arguments for a host.

Okay then we are on the same page with the logic just disagree about the certainty.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I'm with this thinking.
Anyone who has been in contact with the spore is suspect to me!

So you are in favour of lynching anyone who the spore gets sent to?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I'm with this thinking.
Anyone who has been in contact with the spore is suspect to me!

Well yeah, you're second in votes at the moment so why wouldn't you?

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by GGG

So you are in favour of lynching anyone who the spore gets sent to?

Where in the above quote do I say this? If you can comprehend what I posted here, is that anyone who is in contact with the spore is suspect. Do I need to underline it? Or should I elaborate even more?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Where in the above quote do I say this? If you can comprehend what I posted here, is that anyone who is in contact with the spore is suspect. Do I need to underline it? Or should I elaborate even more?

Yes please elaborate. Why are you voting for girly.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well yeah, you're second in votes at the moment so why wouldn't you?

If you want me to remove my vote I can. You can then vote for me and put me first. However even though I have postulated many scenarios I still think my vote is correct at this time and is the right decision going forward.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you explain the logic you are using to vote for Girlysports?

Because she is the best known target for this lynch. We know she has the spore, she could be a host, she is probably turned given the way she posted. Even if she hasn't turned we get a spore free night as a worst case scenario. If we lynch someone else and they end up being a passenger which odds are they will be and we leave GS in play that is a huge win for the scum.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

If you want me to remove my vote I can. You can then vote for me and put me first. However even though I have postulated many scenarios I still think my vote is correct at this time and is the right decision going forward.

You can do what you like, I was just a throw away comment on my part since I don't think you've disagreed with me yet.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because she is the best known target for this lynch. We know she has the spore, she could be a host, she is probably turned given the way she posted. Even if she hasn't turned we get a spore free night as a worst case scenario. If we lynch someone else and they end up being a passenger which odds are they will be and we leave GS in play that is a huge win for the scum.

The bolded is false provided girly isn't the agent. There is no benefit to getting rid of the spore for a night because we spent the day getting rid of the turned rather than letting the agent do it.

I've ranted enough on this so I'm going to drop it but I hope people really work through what actually happens between the two options.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I disagree.

I think Girly is just a turned vanilla passenger, I'm 100% sure of it. Had she said right away she was not turned I would agree that we let the agent handle it since we wouldn't know if she was lying or not. Since she is turned she is now working with the hosts and for all intents and purposes she is against us.

She is a threat to us winning, and she is an extra vote that can sway a lynch the way the hosts want. She is the sure thing in my mind, more so than anyone's arguments for a host.

I said already I just needed to digest it first as I answered a voting question and then asked you a question Post 461. I had to register what Oling was really doing and in fact had to go back to Post 1 to read spore rules. Post 463 and 464 helped clarify in my mind that we have won two coin flips and it would be an advantage to the town. If I had kept quiet and rolled up a well written post at 468, that would have made a difference?

What would convince you? I'm not getting messages and I'm allowing you to determine where the spore goes next. Lynch someone else and it would 3/14 of hitting hosts if you believe me and Oling. GA can still investigate one of us to make sure but I believe we have won 2 coin flips.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yes please elaborate. Why are you voting for girly.

A: I do not believe she is sincere. If it was me I would react differently.Not proof positive but it is what I believe.
B: I think she is moving the goal posts from her original stance
C: From early on I felt she tried to change the direction of our accepted thinking.
D: I think we have opportunity to delay the spore

And again I will state if I read some good and concise arguments otherwise I will definitely entertain and possibly embrace them. So far I have not and I want to hear more from GirlySports as I still believe in running suspects up the flagpole. And yes that even means if you have to do it with me.

[GirlySports]

is running up the flagpole the new turtle sex?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I said already I just needed to digest it first as I answered a voting question and then asked you a question Post 461. I had to register what Oling was really doing and in fact had to go back to Post 1 to read spore rules. Post 463 and 464 helped clarify in my mind that we have won two coin flips and it would be an advantage to the town. If I had kept quiet and rolled up a well written post at 468, that would have made a difference?

What would convince you? I'm not getting messages and I'm allowing you to determine where the spore goes next. Lynch someone else and it would 3/14 of hitting hosts if you believe me and Oling. GA can still investigate one of us to make sure but I believe we have won 2 coin flips.

You're not getting messages? Why would you get messages, and saying it proves nothing.

You're allowing us to determine where the spore goes? You mean you are going to let us think that and then send it wherever you want. You're already DOA because if you are investigated you will be killed, you're just doing your best to not get lynched so you can pass the spore along.

There is nothing you can do or say to convince me, you already made my mind up at the start of today. You're better off lobbying to other people.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You're not getting messages? Why would you get messages, and saying it proves nothing.

You're allowing us to determine where the spore goes? You mean you are going to let us think that and then send it wherever you want. You're already DOA because if you are investigated you will be killed, you're just doing your best to not get lynched so you can pass the spore along.

There is nothing you can do or say to convince me, you already made my mind up at the start of today. You're better off lobbying to other people.

If I was turned I'd be getting messages right now, most likely where to send the spore next. I'm taking that out of the equation by letting the town decide where I send it. If I sent it somewhere else against the towns wishes, I'd be exposed about as fast as Oling would be exposed if I don't have the spore at the end of Day 2.

If I am not lynched, I will send the spore to 2nd place. Let's see how the voting patterns go because the host will not only have to avoid finishing 1st but 2nd as well. Bit of a twist I think.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

If I was turned I'd be getting messages right now, most likely where to send the spore next. I'm taking that out of the equation by letting the town decide where I send it. If I sent it somewhere else against the towns wishes, I'd be exposed about as fast as Oling would be exposed if I don't have the spore at the end of Day 2.

If I am not lynched, I will send the spore to 2nd place. Let's see how the voting patterns go because the host will not only have to avoid finishing 1st but 2nd as well. Bit of a twist I think.

No you wouldn't. The captain gets to messages at night, that's it. Maybe you should re-read the first post before you try and make up a defence.