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[CorsiHockeyLeague]

How many teams are paying $7M or more to a D who isn't their best D?

[Da_Chief]

I don't think there's a single valued asset on the leafs from top to bottom (minus their new coach). None of their players would crack our roster.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Does Dion crack the 100 top D-Men list?

No.

Even if he squeaked in there at $7M you have yourself a boat anchor.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I don't think there's a single valued asset on the leafs from top to bottom (minus their new coach). None of their players would crack our roster.

That's certainly an overstatement. However putting players into a roster with a continuous losing atmosphere can be toxic.

[Huntingwhale]

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

That's certainly an overstatement. However putting players into a roster with a continuous losing atmosphere can be toxic.

Shhhhhh...

[Senator Clay Davis]

The thing about the Leafs is they are in an incredibly weak negotiating position. They have pretty much no leverage, they badly want to deal Kessel and Phaneuf, but everyone knows that, so why help the Leafs out of their mistakes...and give them a good deal to boot? Leafs will probably end up accepting 50 cents on the dollar for both in a return if they actually want to deal them. But there's no market for either, the Leafs can't drive up the price. If anything other teams can drive it down as the Leafs get more desperate to just unload them.

[Mango]

What was that rumoured deal between Detroit and Toronto at the trade deadline for Phaneuf? The Leafs wanted Mantha from the Wings and said no, I remember that much. There may have been chatter of Weiss too?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Mango

What was that rumoured deal between Detroit and Toronto at the trade deadline for Phaneuf? The Leafs wanted Mantha from the Wings and said no, I remember that much. There may have been chatter of Weiss too?

According to Dreger the Wings offered Weiss, Smith and Pulkinnen but Nonis wanted Mantha and Detroit said no.

According to Friedman the trade fell apart because the Leafs saw what Coburn returned and thought they should get more than that because they felt Phaneuf is better than Coburn. Friedman said the deal centered around Weiss and Smith, but didn't believe Mantha was the sticking point.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's not a #5. That's ridiculous.

Does Dion crack the 100 top D-Men list?

Ridiculously underrated now.

He'd be 5th on the Flames.

Giordano, Brodie, Russel, Wideman, Phaneuf.

Personally I'd say 4th on an average team, (Calgary's top four is above average, at least the way they performed last year) but the poster who said 5th is far closer to his value than you are.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

The funny thing is, an older Boychuk just got 6 million for having a career year inline with Dion's worse career season.

Boychuk >> Phaneuf

You can't measure a defenseman's worth by points. Boychuk is more than capable in his own end whereas Phaneuf is plain bad in that regard by top pairing standards. Dion's also not nearly as good offensively as he used to be. His current levels of production are not enough to make up the huge defensive gap between the two IMO.

If Phaneuf made $5m per year, he'd be an attractive trade asset. As it stands, the leafs will be LUCKY to get a Bouwmeester type return for him, unless they retain some serious coin.

[CroFlames]

Despite it all, I always wished Dion the best. Those first 3 years in Calgary, especially his rookie year made me like him. He would have been the Calder if we didn't have the two generational talents in Ovi & Sid also in their rookie year.

It's disapointing to see him not continue to improve and become one of the elite guys I thought he would become.

I guess it just goes to show how important attitude is for a professional athlete.

[Robbob]

It isn't only the 7million a year, it's the term. No way a team like Edmonton takes on that anchor when pretty much all the current ELC and golden boyz club contract expire before the Phaneuf one does.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Dion's value is getting very underrated. He is the best D-Man available.

He plays a position the vast majority of teams want to improve on.

Mark my words, he'll go for more than most believe.

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this gunna be good!

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

How many teams are paying $7M or more to a D who isn't their best D?

He is Toronto's best D.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Boychuk >> Phaneuf

You can't measure a defenseman's worth by points. Boychuk is more than capable in his own end whereas Phaneuf is plain bad in that regard by top pairing standards. Dion's also not nearly as good offensively as he used to be. His current levels of production are not enough to make up the huge defensive gap between the two IMO.

If Phaneuf made $5m per year, he'd be an attractive trade asset. As it stands, the leafs will be LUCKY to get a Bouwmeester type return for him, unless they retain some serious coin.

I;m not. Dion has clearly had the better career and he's younger. Boychuk never even had a top-pairing role until this year. I'd like to see him after facing the NHL's top competition like Dion does.

There is no defensive gap. You're delusional.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by daradon

he'd be 5th on the flames.

giordano, brodie, russel, wideman, phaneuf.

personally i'd say 4th on an average team, (calgary's top four is above average, at least the way they performed last year) but the poster who said 5th is far closer to his value than you are.

lol.

He'd be #1 on Anaheim right now. Dion and Beauchemin played on the same team. It was clear who was better.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

lol.

He'd be #1 on Anaheim right now. Dion and Beauchemin played on the same team. It was clear who was better.

What the f...

Phaneuf would play behind Beauchemin, Fowler, Lindholm and Vatanen for sure. I'd put Phaneuf on the same level as Despres.

[Passe La Puck]

If Tuna thinks Phaneuf is so great why in the world would he want to see him traded?

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by New Era

What the f...

Phaneuf would play behind Beauchemin, Fowler, Lindholm and Vatanen for sure. I'd put Phaneuf on the same level as Despres.

Beauchemin played behind Phaneuf in Toronto,

Remember when people thought Beauchemin was so terrible and finished on the Leafs?