Manners/Social Conventions You Don't Follow

[GGG]

I quit tipping based on service. That practice seems disgusting. The dance monkey dance nature of she who shall not be named turned me off of it. So I tip a flat 15%. I know some will think that is cheap but when restaurant tipping started 15% was the standard and I see nothing in the economics of tipping to change that number. The number of people in a restaurant has not increased and pricing inflation covers inflation.

But really you should pick a number and tip based on that rather than the service you receive because I don't think very many people would like to be paid after the fact based on performance when their is no obligation for the customer to pay.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by GGG

I quit tipping based on service. That practice seems disgusting. The dance monkey dance nature of she who shall not be named turned me off of it. So I tip a flat 15%. I know some will think that is cheap but when restaurant tipping started 15% was the standard and I see nothing in the economics of tipping to change that number. The number of people in a restaurant has not increased and pricing inflation covers inflation.

But really you should pick a number and tip based on that rather than the service you receive because I don't think very many people would like to be paid after the fact based on performance when their is no obligation for the customer to pay.

If they don't bring water, fill up coffee or screw up the order I'll pay less. 15% is a minimum for meeting basic requirements of the job, why would that extra be there if the waiter can't even bring water. I've seen waitresses sitting on the phone texting or whatever while I'm staring at them waiting. You gotta be crazy to tip for that kind of service.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by AcGold

If they don't bring water, fill up coffee or screw up the order I'll pay less. 15% is a minimum for meeting basic requirements of the job, why would that extra be there if the waiter can't even bring water. I've seen waitresses sitting on the phone texting or whatever while I'm staring at them waiting. You gotta be crazy to tip for that kind of service.

You tip because it's part of the wage structure of the business you are eating at.

Would you like your wage to be determined by the whims of the person you just gave the service to if they had no obligation to pay? No one works like that. If you have a bad day at work should you only be paid 75% of what you normally make?

If you don't get good service that is the restaurants fault for poor staffing or training. The employee shouldn't get its pay cut because of poor restaurant management.

It also doesn't incentivize performance, it incentivizes volume. To maximize tips you need to serve as many tables as possible as the difference between good and bad tippers does not change based on performance.

[wontondestruction]

Originally Posted by GGG

So I tip a flat 15%. I know some will think that is cheap but when restaurant tipping started 15% was the standard and I see nothing in the economics of tipping to change that number.

Isn't 15% (before taxes) still the tipping standard?

[4X4]

If you call me, and then you get another call and put me on hold, you have 30 seconds to get back to me, or I hang up. No resent, and no anger, but you can SAD if you think I'm going to hold my phone like a chump for 1,2,3 minutes while you take care of other business.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by wontondestruction

Isn't 15% (before taxes) still the tipping standard?

Not sure if Canada is different, but there's a "helpful" bit printed on receipts when I was in the US. 10%, 15% and 18%. I honestly think 10% is standard in North America and everyone in Canada kept bumping it up 2-3 % to be "nice and not seem cheapskate" till 15% became standard here.

That being said, I personally have a few additional rules when tipping. If food was poor, prefer to talk to server than dock tip. Usually server will do their best to ameliorate the situation. I dock tip if server makes a lame excuse and gives me a run around. Tip IMO is for server experience. I will not tip "great" if they were not decent to everyone at the table (ie: Girlfriend payment part from earlier). If they do well, they get a great tip up to 23%, a verbal compliment of their services as well (on occasion) I ask them if they want me to pump their tires to a manager or something similar.

For me, if a screw up existed and you get free food, tip % is still high. I consider it getting the food/drink I was supposed to anyways at 0%/negative value tip, but based on the view of the receipt, you wouldn't know that. (ie: A theoretical $10 bill with $2 free drink. They get $12 ish which looks like a 20% ish tip. Which I think is fair vs an angry $13.80 (15%) or $13 (less) with tip if they had kept the drink fee on). I consider a free food/drink an apology and I was raised to believe it takes more courage to apologize than say nothing and dip your head in shame. The seemingly high tip is my way of encouraging that and appreciating it.

I once had a complete tray of something like 8 drinks of waters, juices beers etc tipped on our table, on my GF (at the time) and me. I got the least of it, my GF got a lot. We essentially got the meal for free. The server was cordial, apologetic, helped us clean, provided aid with temp clothing, free drinks/food on top of what we had originally ordered etc. Considering freebies totaled something like $40-50 bucks, we left a $20 "tip" on a free meal and wished the server better luck with drink balancing (supposedly it was her first ever time to screw up like that in 12 years of serving). Forget the tipping scale and rules for a second. Wasn't the embarrassment punishment enough? People have bad days, we get it. We aren't the type to melt after a bit of liquid sloshed on us since we're neither witches or made of sugar. I wish this experience was in Calgary instead of out of town. I would have been a regular in a heart beat. Service like that is rare. I don't believe in the mannerism that I should have tipped zero to add salt to the wound and teach her a lesson. She learned the lesson mid air even before the liquid hit our table and us.


I hate splitting bills in general unless I'm with people who I know are good/reasonable tippers. I hate effers who believe they can tip less because one guy tipped more. This is different than the girlfriend payment thing because one side actually got bad/abysmal service. I'm talking we all get great service and one effer thinks that because I tipped 20%, it's their right and role to average it back down to 15%. I'm nearly a dick in that regards as I will take a calculator, calculate my bill with GST and good tip and leave that in cash before I leave vs supplement someone's bill.

I hate establishments who refuse to split bills. You always get that idiot who doesn't pay or doesn't even submit enough to pay what they ordered because they didn't bother tracking what they ordered. After convo with friends, apparently some of these people do it on purpose and pretend being "poor" is a legitimate reason to do this. Sorry... this is a GMG

[Fuzz]

I hate that tipping is supposed to be on the pre-tax amount, yet all the automatic machines were you select % put it on the post tax total. Not so bad here, but I caught on when I was on the east cost with HST.

[CliffFletcher]

10 per cent used to be the standard. It crept up to 15 per cent in the last 20 years. Now it looks like that's creeping up to 18 per cent.

I tip, and I tip well. But tipping inflation gets on my nerves.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by GGG

I quit tipping based on service. That practice seems disgusting. The dance monkey dance nature of she who shall not be named turned me off of it. So I tip a flat 15%. I know some will think that is cheap but when restaurant tipping started 15% was the standard and I see nothing in the economics of tipping to change that number. The number of people in a restaurant has not increased and pricing inflation covers inflation.

But really you should pick a number and tip based on that rather than the service you receive because I don't think very many people would like to be paid after the fact based on performance when their is no obligation for the customer to pay.

15% is fine. I think they said 18% is the average in Calgary now, but Calgary is also on the high end as far as cities go I believe. Lots of money floating around.

Servers are appreciative of a constant 15%

I often tip more, but I often sit at the bar where you end up talking to the workers, have friends serving me, and get some of my bill comped. I probably pay less overall. Grease the wheels and you can get greased back. I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. Not here to say, 'I'm a stud cause I'm a big tipper,' just commenting that being a higher than average tipper can have it's benefits. It goes both ways.

[calf]

When I'm at the gym, if there's no sports on the cardio TV I'll change the channel to Just for Laughs: Gags whenever possible.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by calf

When I'm at the gym, if there's no sports on the cardio TV I'll change the channel to Just for Laughs: Gags whenever possible.

Oh god, this is worse than the Weather Network. Well done.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

How can people say singing the anthem is ridiculous?

And I'd love to slap the hat off of anyone who doesn't take it off. I have serious fantasies about it.

It's sad that people feel the need to assault others just because they don't practice the same belief structure as you.

[Weitz]

15% is the max I will tip with great service. If the service is crap, anything from 5% - 10%.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

It's sad that people feel the need to assault others just because they don't practice the same belief structure as you.

Like the belief that one should honour and respect the country they choose to live in? Don't like to take your hat off, or sing/hum/lipsync along to the words, or think about how lucky you are to live in such a great safe place, or honour those that fought and died to protect the freedoms you embrace? Go live in another country. You aren't a Canadian, you're a parasite feeding off the rights and freedoms of others that choose to embrace the greatness of their country and heritage.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Ha ha ha... Trailer indeed.

[Stormageddon]

I hate making small talk or any of the social niceties your supposed to do when you see someone. When we go to my in-laws I strategically let my wife go in first every time so I don't have to say "hello". People then have to go through the whole, stupid "how are you? Good. How are you?" thing which sucks even more. Then they expect you to ask about other stuff. A) I don't know what to ask you outside of "How are you?" B) I really don't care about any of the answers you give me.

I do this even more so on the phone. When calling someone, they say hello, and I just dive right into my question or whatever I was calling them about, no hello, nothing.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

While at the grocery store, I don't always put produce in the little bags that are on the rolls. Never really understood their purpose. They aren't air tight, they don't provide ties for all of them and all of the produced gets washed before eating it. However messy veggies like corn on the cob makes sense. Tomatoes don't.

I don't understand the point in the ties to be honest. I just tie a knot at the top of the bag. Most of the time I don't even use the bags, unless the product is messy as you say. It's funny watching some people shove a bag of oranges into a bag and then tie it with a twist tie.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I don't understand the point in the ties to be honest. I just tie a knot at the top of the bag. Most of the time I don't even use the bags, unless the product is messy as you say. It's funny watching some people shove a bag of oranges into a bag and then tie it with a twist tie.

I use bags for most things because those conveyors are covered in leaky meat juice from the poorly wrapped meat trays.

[codynw]

I wear my keys on my belt loop and I don't take them off when I'm at work. I just walk around the office jingling all day.

[jwslam]

Originally Posted by Daradon

15% is fine. I think they said 18% is the average in Calgary now, but Calgary is also on the high end as far as cities go I believe. Lots of money floating around.

Calgary Sun (a year ago, before all the oil crash) says you're wrong
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/04/03...in-the-country