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[Spinach]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Dion's value is getting very underrated. He is the best D-Man available.

He plays a position the vast majority of teams want to improve on.

Mark my words, he'll go for more than most believe.

You could be right. He might just net a sixth-round pick instead of a seventh.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Dion's value is getting very underrated. He is the best D-Man available.

He plays a position the vast majority of teams want to improve on.

Mark my words, he'll go for more than most believe.

So the reasons the leafs signed Dion to the horrible contract he's on now is because he was the best available option and there was no one else available. They're now looking at trading him and have openly wanted him off the team (or at least made it known that they're shopping him). Don't you think other teams are going to think he's over paid and realize the leafs made a mistake by over paying for the "best available option"

Mark my words, the leafs will have to eat a portion of his salary and they'll get something along the lines of a second round pick, B level prospect and a second/third line player.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Dion's value is getting very underrated. He is the best D-Man available.

He plays a position the vast majority of teams want to improve on.

Mark my words, he'll go for more than most believe.

I remember the return we got for Phaneuf years back when he was younger and arguably playing better. Much closer to his Calder and Norris nomination years anyway.

And you somehow think there is going to be a huge line up and big return for him? What color is the sky in your world man?

Mark my words, you'll be crying at the return.

Actually no, you'll be crying inside, but trying to spin the potential of the second round pick and lauding the stay at home talents of Scott Hannan.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Dion's value is getting very underrated. He is the best D-Man available.

He plays a position the vast majority of teams want to improve on.

Mark my words, he'll go for more than most believe.

He's maybe a #5 on an average team now? Making $7M?

Nope. If the Leafs eat half his hit (which is entirely possible) they might be able to trade him for a 5th rounder or something.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by heep223

He's maybe a #5 on an average team now? Making $7M?

Nope. If the Leafs eat half his hit (which is entirely possible) they might be able to trade him for a 5th rounder or something.

He's #5 on the Leafs? In what world?

The Leafs are not eating half his salary. No team is getting him for 3.5 million. Get real.

He's going for a good prospect or first rounder.

The funny thing is, an older Boychuk just got 6 million for having a career year inline with Dion's worse career season.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I remember the return we got for Phaneuf years back when he was younger and arguably playing better. Much closer to his Calder and Norris nomination years anyway.

And you somehow think there is going to be a huge line up and big return for him? What color is the sky in your world man?

Mark my words, you'll be crying at the return.

Actually no, you'll be crying inside, but trying to spin the potential of the second round pick and lauding the stay at home talents of Scott Hannan.

Yeah but your GM did not shop Dion around. He was worth more than what the Flames got for him.

The leafs will shop DIon to everyone.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's #5 on the Leafs? In what world?

The Leafs are not eating half his salary. No team is getting him for 3.5 million. Get real.

He's going for a good prospect or first rounder.

Man you can't see how deluded you are....the Leafs are not an average team.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's #5 on the Leafs? In what world?

The Leafs are not eating half his salary. No team is getting him for 3.5 million. Get real.

He's going for a good prospect or first rounder.

He said 5 on an average team. Do you think the Leafs are average?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yeah but your GM did not shop Dion around. He was worth more than what the Flames got for him.

The leafs will shop DIon to everyone.

We got an undervalued deal for sure, but I don't see how you think he's somehiw worth more now than even that undervalued deal then.

Older. Suckier. Worse contract.

Worth more?! Worth even the same?!

[Daradon]

Whoops double post

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's going for a good prospect or first rounder.

I could see a decent prospect but not an A level prospect, if he does get a first rounder it won't be from this year and they're going to have to take a bad contract back or eat half his salary for sure. What team can just add 7 million to their cap for a non game changing player? The leafs will have to take back equal money back or even more.

What teams do you honestly think would want to add dion? Serious question. If you make a list of teams that would want him, then see who has the cap space and then who they'd trade for him it would seem a lot more realistic. I could honestly see him going to the oilers for something like eberle. Both are over paid, underperforming players that need a change. I could also see him going to a team like Carolina, Columbus, Arizona, or the devils. I just don't know who those teams would give up for him. I honestly don't see a lot of teams that would want him right now. Who do you think would want him and why? Take into consideration cap space, tradable assets, where he'd fit on their D, where they are contender wise (rebuild vs. going for it) and where he'd fit on that teams D. And please be realistic.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's not even 28 yet. And he's never injured.

He's also fat and lazy. The classic example of a player that has been living off his talent alone. The moment he loses a step he's not going to be the same player ever again as hard working players are always trying to remain in the best shape possible and work on their overall games to ensure that even if they lose a step they are getting better in other areas of their games to compensate. There's no compensation for lazy just ask Dustin Penner as Kessel isn't one of those guys that's going to play in his mid to late 30's (unless his work ethic takes a 180). The unfortunate part for the Leafs is that he's going to get paid into his mid 30's.

[Daradon]

Eberle? Wow, I wouldn't trade Eberle for Dion, not even close.

And I don't even like Eberle. Soft. Floater. Overpaid, yes. But younger, better performer, and possibly still redeemable. Move him off the team and he may still get close to the player he was supposed to be. At least he could still rack up the points even if he doesn't, which is useful.

Dion has proven he's going nowhere but down. He's bad on both sides of the puck!

[Poe969]

I just think it's a realistic trade, maybe not 1 for 1 but I think the premise of a trade can be built around those 2 players. The oil need D, badly. Dion isn't great but he's better than most on that team (because they're terrible). Chia has proven he's a bad GM and I think they need to make some changes just for the sake of making changes. It would be a dream trade scenario for TSN as those two teams are their favourite teams.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I just think it's a realistic trade, maybe not 1 for 1 but I think the premise of a trade can be built around those 2 players. The oil need D, badly. Dion isn't great but he's better than most on that team (because they're terrible). Chia has proven he's a bad GM and I think they need to make some changes just for the sake of making changes. It would be a dream trade scenario for TSN as those two teams are their favourite teams.

Yeah, would address needs both ways. I guess if TO adds something or takes half the contract it makes sense. But not one for one.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Daradon

He said 5 on an average team. Do you think the Leafs are average?

He's not a #5. That's ridiculous.

Does Dion crack the 100 top D-Men list?

Ridiculously underrated now.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's #5 on the Leafs? In what world?

The Leafs are not eating half his salary. No team is getting him for 3.5 million. Get real.

He's going for a good prospect or first rounder.

The funny thing is, an older Boychuk just got 6 million for having a career year inline with Dion's worse career season.

The funny thing is, Boychuk is actually competent in his own end.

Quit trying to sell us on neon Dion. You sound like his agent for Christ's sakes...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's not a #5. That's ridiculous.

Does Dion crack the 100 top D-Men list?

Ridiculously underrated now.

I agree he is more a 3/4 guy and better than a 5 by quite a bit. ....but this is where things get really convoluted in trading him. Who is going to want to pay 7 million a year for a player who is 3rd best at his position on that team? This is where the leafs are and why if they deal dion, the return will be negligible if not fully negative.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

The funny thing is, Boychuk is actually competent in his own end.

Quit trying to sell us on neon Dion. You sound like his agent for Christ's sakes...

He's older and Dion has been far better in their careers.

This idea Dion is just terrible defensively is a joke, Remember how horrible and washed-up Beauchemin was in Toronto?
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Put Dion on a better team and you'll see.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's older and Dion has been far better in their careers.

This idea Dion is just terrible defensively is a joke, Remember how horrible and washed-up Beauchemin was in Toronto?
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Put Dion on a better team and you'll see.

"Stand in front of your goalie with one hand on your stick."

- The Dion Phaneuf school of hockey 101