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flambers · 05-26-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

It's the Sutter years.

1 successful first round pick in 7 years.

2 and the 3rd was traded I believe (Phaneuf, Backlund and Erixon)

Red Menace · 05-26-2015, 11:46 AM

2/7 were successful (Phanuef & Backlund), and Erixon is becoming a regular NHLer and did yield us multiple assets.
He was also picking outside the top 22 in 6/7 of those drafts.
Obviously the players in this range are no sure thing to make an impact in the league, and Jankowski is no different.

ForeverFlameFan · 05-26-2015, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

It's the Sutter years.

1 successful first round pick in 7 years.

I'm talking about recently, Baertschi and Jankowski are the players that always get the most talk around here.

Our 15th OA is going to get the same crap as those two if he isn't in the NHL in 1-2 years after his draft year.

Dime_On_Flames · 05-26-2015, 11:58 AM

The thing with Janks is he's never played with a elite goal scorer. One of his elite skill sets is passing. We really won't know what his offensive ceiling is until he consistently plays with a finisher like P. Kane, Voracek, Benn.

I change my mind....I'm expecting him to be Joe Thornton 2.0

monkeyman · 05-26-2015, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'm talking about recently, Baertschi and Jankowski are the players that always get the most talk around here.

Our 15th OA is going to get the same crap as those two if he isn't in the NHL in 1-2 years after his draft year.

It's pretty clear the flames made a mistake with the 15th overall pick when another player was still on the board. Stupid Flames!
Thought I'd get an early jump.

flambers · 05-26-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'm talking about recently, Baertschi and Jankowski are the players that always get the most talk around here.

Our 15th OA is going to get the same crap as those two if he isn't in the NHL in 1-2 years after his draft year.

If you are talking recently then the reference is towards Jay Feaster.

He managed 5 drafts I think (Max Reinhart - 3rd rounder, Baerschi, Jankowski, Monahan and Bennett)

So far, 2 of the 4 are really good selections.

Jankowski is an unknown.

Who knows how Baerschi will perform.

oh wow... messed that up.

GioforPM · 05-26-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

If you are talking recently then the reference is towards Jay Feaster.

He managed 5 drafts I think (Sam Reinhart - 3rd rounder, Baerschi, Jankowski, Monahan and Bennett)

So far, 2 of the 4 are really good selections.

Jankowski is an unknown.

Who knows how Baerschi will perform.

Bennett was Treliving. And you will have many posters explaining Feaster's role in drafting (except for Jankowski) was not very central, and that it was Tod Button who made those calls.

Coach · 05-26-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Bennett was Treliving. And you will have many posters explaining Feaster's role in drafting (except for Jankowski) was not very central, and that it was Tod Button who made those calls.

And the other side would say that a good manager lets the people who work them do their jobs. Having the head of scouting make calls on the draft is not uncommon at all.

And the list is missing a major component in Gaudreau.

Phanuthier · 05-26-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay?

This goes back to my previous post about forgetting where picks were selected after the draft. Now they're all in the development blender. Jankowski might not ever live up to being a glorious 1st rounder, but that doesn't mean he can't carve out a long successful NHL career..

Would it matter here, because if he is not signed, we can get a late 2nd round pick for him? The question is, is he worth that late 2nd round pick?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater (actually a lot of good info and discussion on here I didn't know about) just curious if it might actually be better to get a 2nd round pi if he is looking to be a 3rd liner.

ForeverFlameFan · 05-26-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Would it matter here, because if he is not signed, we can get a late 2nd round pick for him? The question is, is he worth that late 2nd round pick?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater (actually a lot of good info and discussion on here I didn't know about) just curious if it might actually be better to get a 2nd round pi if he is looking to be a 3rd liner.

Jankowski > 2nd Rounder.

Not very many 2nd rounders make it to the NHL and if they do, it's usually not a player better than a 3rd liner.

Bandwagon In Flames · 05-26-2015, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Jankowski > 2nd Rounder.

Not very many 2nd rounders make it to the NHL and if they do, it's usually not a player better than a 3rd liner.

There's more to it than that..

You also need to take into account roster spots. Teams can have up to 50 contracts. If we think Jankowski is way down the depth chart and only projecting to a 3rd liner, the Flames might not want to spend a roster spot on him. Any flames fan knows quite well that the flames have a lot of bottom 6 forward depth. Jankowski would either be clogging up the AHL roster or sent down to the ECHL where careers go to die.

2nd round picks are easily trade-able and no NHL team can have too many of them. The same cannot be said for a 22 year old 3rd line tweener.

ForeverFlameFan · 05-26-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

There's more to it than that..

You also need to take into account roster spots. Teams can have up to 50 contracts. If we think Jankowski is way down the depth chart and only projecting to a 3rd liner, the Flames might not want to spend a roster spot on him. Any flames fan knows quite well that the flames have a lot of bottom 6 forward depth. Jankowski would either be clogging up the AHL roster or sent down to the ECHL where careers go to die.

2nd round picks are easily trade-able and no NHL team can have too many of them. The same cannot be said for a 22 year old 3rd line tweener.

If you're worried about contract spots, there are other players that the Flames can most likely get rid of or part ways with. For example, if Max Reinhart continues to just be an AHL player because we have no room for him on the Flames, he'll either be traded or not re-signed.

Not every player pans out at 22/23 years of age, Backlund is a great example of that.

GranteedEV · 05-26-2015, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

And you will have many posters explaining Feaster's role in drafting (except for Jankowski) was not very central, and that it was Tod Button who made those calls.

Button made "the call" on Jankowski too...

dammage79 · 05-26-2015, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Button made "the call" on Jankowski too...

Did he? I thought it was Weisbrod who actually made the "call" to Feaster to draft him.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-26-2015, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Did he? I thought it was Weisbrod who actually made the "call" to Feaster to draft him.

Tod Button has been the Flames head scout since 2001.

Bandwagon In Flames · 05-26-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If you're worried about contract spots, there are other players that the Flames can most likely get rid of or part ways with. For example, if Max Reinhart continues to just be an AHL player because we have no room for him on the Flames, he'll either be traded or not re-signed.

Not every player pans out at 22/23 years of age, Backlund is a great example of that.

That sounds like the worst asset management imaginable.

Dump a proven AHL player who is 1-2 years older than Jankowski so that Jankowski can fill the exact same role? And then receive no 2nd round pick?

Bottom line is the Flames don't need any more 3rd line tweeners.

If Jankowski can show more than bottom 6 upside next season, by all means the Flames should sign him. If the Friars become a bottom feeder team without Gillies and their graduated seniors, then suddenly that 2nd round pick seems tempting.

Bandwagon In Flames · 05-26-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Button made "the call" on Jankowski too...

False.

After the draft Feaster basically put it all on Weisbrod. As if Feaster knew it was a bad pick and didn't want to take any heat for it. Weisbrod saw him live 2 times and insisted the Flames draft him.

dammage79 · 05-26-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Tod Button has been the Flames head scout since 2001.

Relevance? Genuinely. I know Button has tenure with the Flames. But at the 2012 draft, Someone (may have been Button) asked Weisbrod to go see Janko at a time they were going to trade the pick. Weisbrod came back sold on him and got Feaster to take him.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-26-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Relevance? Genuinely. I know Button has tenure with the Flames. But at the 2012 draft, Someone (may have been Button) asked Weisbrod to go see Janko at a time they were going to trade the pick. Weisbrod came back sold on him and got Feaster to take him.

Did you manage to ninja edit your post? I swear I saw something about Tod Button being OHL scout at the time.

Rough morning, maybe I'm losing my mind?

dammage79 · 05-26-2015, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Did you manage to ninja edit your post? I swear I saw something about Tod Button being OHL scout at the time.

Rough morning, maybe I'm losing my mind?

I did Ninja edit my post but it had nothing to do with Button being the OHL scout, I actually originally posted that the OHL scout got Weisbrod to go look at Janko.