CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

There may be one person right now who has been turned. If so that person is all alone.
By reading the rules that person does not know who Capt, 2IC, or Engineer are. The Telepathic ability the Alien scum have can only work at night AFAIK and in 30 words or less. The three primary alien scum will know who is turned, but the turned does not know who the three primary are.

I believe is a strong advantage for us at this time in the game.

So if there is a "turned" passenger they are by themselves without any direction or leadership.
I expect this person(if there is one) to lay low, feel things out. They are on an Island until they get another turned passenger.

Well, the Captain gets to say something each night, we don't know when that occurs (before or after the spore turns). So there's a possibility that the spore turned someone and the captain was able to say his 30 words to that person still.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well, the Captain gets to say something each night, we don't know when that occurs (before or after the spore turns). So there's a possibility that the spore turned someone and the captain was able to say his 30 words to that person still.

Any turned person would still be "on their own" since really, what hints or instructions of value could the scum have given them in 30 words. That's like twitter for mafia. The most valuable information the captain could give a turned person (the identity of the host) is specifically forbidden. (It says even slight hinting isn't allowed). I do think looking for changes in behaviour from early days to later days is a great strategy this game.

[Timbo]

I'm hoping the timing of night 0 might have been different.
But if you are correct then we could have 4 players on the same page assuming that the capt could effectively communicate strategy in the 30 words.

Interesting(open) question if you were the Capt and had your choice of who to infect first.
Who would you choose?
A newb or a known strong player?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I don't get why Seb would have only selected the first sentence in my first post, since the second sentence goes with the first. The only breadcrumb was me stating my vanilla position. This has been pointed out by me already.



Once again, this has already been answered. Reread where my post where I detailed my thoughts: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...95#post5307995. I find something that doesn't make sense to me. I give my rationale. It turns out it was a math error from Mazrim, and now you want to put that on me because of how I thought? When trying to figure out how this game works I find something that doesn't make sense to me. Not every thought you have in this game is correct, but not having the correct thought doesn't make me mafia. That's ridiculous. By ending it with the 'cover your ass' statement of "Honestly I am probably wrong" is slimy too. That phrase is a classic game move that allows you to never remain guilty when things go wrong. I guess it wouldn't be a mafia game without you and GGG coming at me for ridiculous and/or made up things to paint me in a poor light. It worked for you last time, so I don't blame you for continuing the schtick. You say it's forced, but when you don't get a hugely detailed answer you go off and say the person's avoiding. When I give a detailed post, you say it's forced. You can't have it both ways. We're both posting very similar to last game, and look how we were both aligned last time.



My vote was flippant and meant to be funny in order to get some conversation going. I wanted to see if he'd defend himself, (he did not) or if anyone else jumped on that train (no one did). I could have easily done the same thing by saying I need to deal with the elephant in the room and voted PE. I could have stated that elephants love peanuts and those two must be together. I chose the easiest of the few.

I know you gave an explaination of your thought process when you brought up the difference in players vs roles, I looked at it and it still seemed off to me. I'm betting almost everyone would have assumed the outage was the vanilla passengers but you didn't, you came to the conclusion that it was something weird with the hosts. That's why it stuck out as forced to me, it seemed like a host trying to come up with a sneaky way to say they are a vanilla passenger.

[dissentowner]

Ugg, two votes already? Guys, I am not scum, you are sniffing up the wrong tree here. Every game I have played I have been on the towns side and have been upfront about it. This time is no different. I have made it to the end of every mafia game we have done so far which gives me a wack of experience. Have faith in me and let's try and pick off one of the bad guys early this time. I am not sure why my posts have been suspicious, they are similar to the other games I have been in.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ugg, two votes already? Guys, I am not scum, you are sniffing up the wrong tree here. Every game I have played I have been on the towns side and have been upfront about it. This time is no different. I have made it to the end of every mafia game we have done so far which gives me a wack of experience. Have faith in me and let's try and pick off one of the bad guys early this time. I am not sure why my posts have been suspicious, they are similar to the other games I have been in.

This is a really weird post to me.

On one hand, being 'afraid' with only 2 votes seems that you might not have support elsewhere.

However, bringing up past games about being town doesn't mean anything, it's random numbers. Besides, everyone ever has been upfront about being town, especially scum...Just seems weird.

If you want to get out Scum, post who you think is Scum and vote for them. Make a case for someone better, not just to save yourself.

[dissentowner]

I already stated who I am suspicious of and why.

[dissentowner]

I will post more when I am off shift

[dissentowner]

Ok, so like I said before, HG15 seems most suspect to me. He is participating in the game yet trying to steer attention anywhere but himself. The facts are it is early so it is super hard to get a read on anything. Oling played a brilliant game last time yet turned out to be scum but something tells me he is on the straight and narrow this time, gut feeling. SebC's posts are strange but maybe that is just the way he plays. Same with squiggs, coming out early with his vanilla comment but what to make of it? It is basically a crapshoot at this point and we still have time to figure out the voting which is why I have not voted yet. If I did it would be HG15 right now unless something changes. Or do we vote for someone not participating and lurking? Anyhow, if I was scum I would not be calling attention to myself and I would rather we not waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on when it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys.

unvote
I'll let devo off the hook for posting a bit more, but the input was kind of weak.

Day one is going to be tough. I will ultimately just have to vote on my gut. I wish I had listened to it more in the last game. I freakin' HATED Oling, but he always managed to do these uber long posts that made me think I was stupid and question my hunches. He was also a bully at times. I know I shouldn't take past games in to account, but I just wanted to air this out at the start. That this might make me jaded towards him.
That's why I'm skeptical of bizaro. A short novel on the percentages of why we should vote a certain way had me double guessing myself... until some one pointed out a flaw and then he said "Ooops, my bad..." In my mind if he was scum he said to himself "I guess I'll have to figure out another way to distract those townies"
It was just a similar style to Olings from last game....
I can appreciate trying to be logical about theories, buy you can always keyhole something to make it fit to what you are trying to prove. I'm going to wait until some other people start posting more. People that are posting less than the game MOD should start doing something.

[mrkajz44]

Yeah, the last post by Diss is a bit odd. Oiling sort of nails it on the head, just seems like such a weird post to make with days to go until the deadline and only 2 votes have been placed. However, re-reading Diss' posts, I just don't get the feeling of scum and I think he just was venting a little frustration of being targeted early. I'm interested to see his future posts as alluded to above.

For me, thinking about some of the posts that came off as "different" early on, I have to say that Seb's strategy definitely caught my attention. It has some merit for sure, where there is simply too much noise with lots of posts. Sort of a direct shot against "the more information the better". It's a bit outside the box, but not a terrible idea.

However, what struck me as much more interesting was the way Party sort of latched onto that idea and ran with it. It seems like Seb thought out that strategy and wants to stick to it, but Party just grabbed a hold of the same idea and uses that to explain a very low post count, that has little to no content. Party also said they were new to Mafia, and I'm guessing drawing a Mafia card in their very first game would be very nerve racking and the fear of slipping up would be great, hence the low post count without much substance. Their instant vote sort of tears down that argument though, but maybe it was just heat of the moment?

So, I'm sticking to my idea of waiting until Monday to make a voting decision because posting is so infrequent on the weekends, but Party is at the top of my list for now. I'd like to hear a little more from them.

[mrkajz44]

Okay, just saw that Diss replied while I was typing. That response sort of confirms my thinking. Diss is talking gameplay quite well already, much more than many others at this point. I think the "2 votes already" post was just a frustration post, nothing more.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

So, I'm sticking to my idea of waiting until Monday to make a voting decision because posting is so infrequent on the weekends, but Party is at the top of my list for now. I'd like to hear a little more from them.

Alright then. Like I've said, I'm new to this mafia game. I'm a bit jealous that lots of you are posting analyses of posters based off "how they played the last game(s)" as I'm just starting from scratch with all of you. I noticed early on that a lot of you were saying that the people not posting a lot are suspicious, I guess only one mentioned me by name though.

I was trying to get in on the game when I read and agreed with Seb's post. I don't really have a lot to say and I'm still feeling out how the game works so the idea made sense. Some of you think it's suspicious, fine, but GGG voting for me based on that flimsy logic really irritated me.

I'm not crazy about the way GGG and HG are steering the discussion, like we all have to fit their agenda or we must be scum. Seems suspicious to me. That's what my vote is based off.

[activeStick]

Not saying she's scum but did anyone else find it strange that Girly sort of piled on immediately and voted for Party Elephant earlier? I just found it really abrupt.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Not saying she's scum but did anyone else find it strange that Girly sort of piled on immediately and voted for Party Elephant earlier? I just found it really abrupt.

Lego Man sure did.

Go read some of the previous game (not all... that would take you all week!) I did that last game and found it kind of helped... You'll notice there was alot of lame chatter on the first day IIRC. But at least people were posting. It may give you an idea on how other people have played the game. But like others have said: every game is different. Some people hold their cards to their chest and others are vocal about their suspicions. And others are just clueless and ask lots of questions (<--- that's me last game.) This game I am going to try to be a combo of analytical and instinctual. I will have to go back and read and make notes (I swore I was going to make notes this time!) But it will have to wait until later today because I have the joy of going to the Science Centre with 40+ screaming Kindergartners.... If I don't post before 5pm: send someone to retrieve my body.

[devo22]

The thing is: there's really not a lot you can do on day 1. We have nothing except for knowing that one passenger MIGHT have turned and there are three hosts. What do you expect of day 1 exactly?

Also what I've learned from past games is that usually activity level says nothing about being town or scum ... when I was mafia, we were all over the place: one was very active, one laid very low and two were kind of in between.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so like I said before, HG15 seems most suspect to me. He is participating in the game yet trying to steer attention anywhere but himself. The facts are it is early so it is super hard to get a read on anything. Oling played a brilliant game last time yet turned out to be scum but something tells me he is on the straight and narrow this time, gut feeling. SebC's posts are strange but maybe that is just the way he plays. Same with squiggs, coming out early with his vanilla comment but what to make of it? It is basically a crapshoot at this point and we still have time to figure out the voting which is why I have not voted yet. If I did it would be HG15 right now unless something changes. Or do we vote for someone not participating and lurking? Anyhow, if I was scum I would not be calling attention to myself and I would rather we not waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on when it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys.

If you think I am so suspicious then please vote for me so we have a record of it down the line.

You keep saying I am participating but trying to steer the attention to anywhere but me. What does that even mean exactly? I have been giving my opinion on the game, and I have been giving my view on people. Isn't that putting the spotlight right on me, rather than coasting along in the background?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by devo22

The thing is: there's really not a lot you can do on day 1. We have nothing except for knowing that one passenger MIGHT have turned and there are three hosts. What do you expect of day 1 exactly?

Also what I've learned from past games is that usually activity level says nothing about being town or scum ... when I was mafia, we were all over the place: one was very active, one laid very low and two were kind of in between.

I agree with Devo that the scum could be all over the place with their posts, but I've been mulling it over all weekend and there isn't much to go on other than gut feelings and post activity at this point (for me, anyways). My thinking is that the least active posters would likely not be scum, more likely they're just not into the game or busy and hoping the rest of the town can carry things for them. I'm thinking scum would be more middle of the pack at this point. And I'm also going on random guess/gut feeling.

Vote: EastCoastFlame

I'm at an off-site all day so unfortunately can't check back in to the thread until this evening.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Alright then. Like I've said, I'm new to this mafia game. I'm a bit jealous that lots of you are posting analyses of posters based off "how they played the last game(s)" as I'm just starting from scratch with all of you. I noticed early on that a lot of you were saying that the people not posting a lot are suspicious, I guess only one mentioned me by name though.

I was trying to get in on the game when I read and agreed with Seb's post. I don't really have a lot to say and I'm still feeling out how the game works so the idea made sense. Some of you think it's suspicious, fine, but GGG voting for me based on that flimsy logic really irritated me.

I'm not crazy about the way GGG and HG are steering the discussion, like we all have to fit their agenda or we must be scum. Seems suspicious to me. That's what my vote is based off.

Did it take you a day to post this because of the time difference between you and your other scum buddies? The reason you voted for me was you were pissed you got voted for, now that you have thought about it you have come up with other justifications but you really should own your reasons for your vote.


One problem with this set up is that we don't get additional info in the night phase from kills. We get our lynch, and a 50/50 chance of finding who the spore was passed to. We need to generate discussion ourselves and thus far we aren't doing enough. So yes in a game where the town can only win by forcing people to have a discussion I will steer people into having discussions and putting votes on record.

We need to have everyone vote for someone by the end of today. On day 1 you don't need a good reason.