CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Dang, Mazrim's post changes everything, clearly not going to get a reveal today.

Well, at least I did a bunch of unnecessary math instead of working.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Never tell me the odds!

There's an elephant in the room!

So back to square one. Just like every other Mafia game where we bat around random people?

[Hockeyguy15]

So going forward if we get the spore and aren't infected we say the next day who we passed it to so the agent can investigate?

[Hockeyguy15]

Triple post!

We also have to be careful not to focus on the infected over finding the hosts, last game too much time was wasted on the cults rather than looking for scum.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

To clarify:

- If you are turned, you will be informed when the day starts.
- If you are not turned, you will you not be informed. You will be asked to pass the spore during the next night, and that is the only information you will receive.

By not informing, isn't that informing? I'm lost already...sigh.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Haha - leave it to Oiling to get the ball rolling early!

Is it possible the person who received the spore would not know about it until the night phase? That would throw a kink into the assumption that if the spore already turned someone, then that person would remain silent. Maybe I'm not reading the description of the spore correctly?

Why did you think this here?

[GGG]

Oling what happens between post 9 and post 18 that you realize the government agent should do the check rather than lynch them?


I don't like something about how this game started, it might be the day 0 action that changed things, or that we are all more experienced but it seems like an agenda from somewhere that we should focus on the turned rather than hunting scum. I need to closely reread the start but there is a push coming from somewhere.

So right now I suspect one of Oling, Bizaro, HG,

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling what happens between post 9 and post 18 that you realize the government agent should do the check rather than lynch them?

Well hockeyguy15 corrected me in post 10.

But you're also might be mistaken in what I wanted, it's moot now as the assumption that the spore-carrier knows he/she has it but:

Spore-Carrier tells us who he sent it to, we'll call him Target.
Government Agent checks Spore-Carrier.
We lynch Target.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well hockeyguy15 corrected me in post 10.

But you're also might be mistaken in what I wanted, it's moot now as the assumption that the spore-carrier knows he/she has it but:

Spore-Carrier tells us who he sent it to, we'll call him Target.
Government Agent checks Spore-Carrier.
We lynch Target.

Government agent checking is a night action

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

By not informing, isn't that informing? I'm lost already...sigh.

I think what Mazrim means is let's say the Captain chose to pass the spore to you the first time.

Scenario 1: if you were infected, you would already know right now via PM.

Scenario 2: if you weren't infected you wouldn't know until night but you'd get a PM that night to pass it to someone.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling what happens between post 9 and post 18 that you realize the government agent should do the check rather than lynch them?


I don't like something about how this game started, it might be the day 0 action that changed things, or that we are all more experienced but it seems like an agenda from somewhere that we should focus on the turned rather than hunting scum. I need to closely reread the start but there is a push coming from somewhere.

So right now I suspect one of Oling, Bizaro, HG,

Hmm. I was definitely pushing there, but only because I thought I figured out a way for the passengers to get a statistical advantage on the first day, and it seemed to me like Oling was intentionally obstructing that with tangents, which would have been consistent with his previous play as a mafia member. So I thought I had a pretty good plan laid out that had the potential to net us our first host member, or at least block the next spore.

As it turns out, my plan had a flaw in how I understood the game. I probably should have realized from past experience playing Mazrim led games that there wouldn't be a way to gain an advantage built right into the rules of the game.

All that being said, Olings counter proposal seems reasonable from the point of view of how he understood the game to work until corrected by hockeyguy, so I'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt. At least he is trying to get something going, which is key one the first day, imo. The other possibility is he and hockeyguy cooked it up in the scum thread, which seems less likely, as I doubt they'd come out so strong on day one.

[Party Elephant]

So what we're saying here is we have no idea who to go after right now?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

So I thought I had a pretty good plan laid out that had the potential to net us our first host member, or at least block the next spore.

Your plan was for the spore-carrier to reveal himself for sacrifice. I understand where you were coming from, stopping the spore should be a major goal for us, it still would have required pretty much a guarantee passenger kill this day.

I don't feel too bad about your plan because the idea was stopping the spore which I'm definitely on board with but I was just trying to present another shot at stopping the spore without sacrificing one of our own.

I'm more concerned with mrkajz44 not really wanting to have a reveal. I mean, the Scum obviously know who has the spore. If it's a passenger, them revealing only helps us with information. If the spore turned the passenger, a fake reveal would still put the scum into the spotlight.

At least early on, I think 'revealing' where the spore has been and where it's going is to our advantage. It will help out our Government Agent and provide us the opportunity to get rid of it through lynches, if we think people are telling the truth.

@Girlysports, so does spreading the spore. Day 1, in that scenario which was wrong, would still require a 'random' lynch. I said that in my post on 18.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Triple post!

We also have to be careful not to focus on the infected over finding the hosts, last game too much time was wasted on the cults rather than looking for scum.

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling what happens between post 9 and post 18 that you realize the government agent should do the check rather than lynch them?


I don't like something about how this game started, it might be the day 0 action that changed things, or that we are all more experienced but it seems like an agenda from somewhere that we should focus on the turned rather than hunting scum. I need to closely reread the start but there is a push coming from somewhere.

So right now I suspect one of Oling, Bizaro, HG,

Maybe you and I are in cahoots?

[Timbo]

Spores, host,collective... Is this a NDP plot?

[Hockeyguy15]

So ECF and Peanut thanked the opening post but haven't said anything in the thread? I'm fairly sure that they thanked it after day 1 started and we were allowed to post.

Probably is nothing, but you never know.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So ECF and Peanut thanked the opening post but haven't said anything in the thread? I'm fairly sure that they thanked it after day 1 started and we were allowed to post.

Probably is nothing, but you never know.

With random picks you never know, new players given a role could be less active.
Of course as this day progresses we must question the inactive.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

With random picks you never know, new players given a role could be less active.
Of course as this day progresses we must question the inactive.

True, though only 3 people are left to post so I doubt all 3 are our people with powers. Which means they likely aren't all hosts either.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So ECF and Peanut thanked the opening post but haven't said anything in the thread? I'm fairly sure that they thanked it after day 1 started and we were allowed to post.

Probably is nothing, but you never know.

Read it last night, was confused. Am now back re-reading from the start and trying to figure everything out. Also, maybe you confused me and Puxlut? I thanked the opening post this evening when I came back to re-read.

This is my first mafia experience!! It seems complicated already.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Read it last night, was confused. Am now back re-reading from the start and trying to figure everything out. Also, maybe you confused me and Puxlut? I thanked the opening post this evening when I came back to re-read.

This is my first mafia experience!! It seems complicated already.

I did mean you. What I was saying is that you had thanked the post after day 1 had started and we were able to post, but then you never posted (until now).