ISIS militants attack and take over Iraqi northern city of Mosul

[ernie]

Originally Posted by T@T

Every leader at every mosque around the world needs to publicly denounce this freaks words before stupidity sets in.

so guilty until proven innocent?

The large majority of mosques and muslim leadership in the western world has denounced ISIS and continue to do so.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

Every leader at every mosque around the world needs to publicly denounce this freaks words before stupidity sets in.

You should go to a mosque and see for yourself. They're actually one of the most welcoming types of people that walk on the face of this earth. TV does a terrible job showing you what true Muslims are like.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by T@T

Every leader at every mosque around the world needs to publicly denounce this freaks words before stupidity sets in.

You're right.

All the completely rational Muslims who also happen to be awesome guys that I encounter on a weekly basis might be headed to the suicide vest district as we speak!!

[JD]

Sometimes I feel like my Muslim neighbours in Abu Dhabi might start jihad against me, but instead they live their lives and I live mine and occasionally there's even some pleasant interaction as we cross paths.

Real dangerous folk.

[_Q_]

As a moderate Muslim who has lived in Canada for over 25 years, sometimes I get the urge to lob off a few infidels' heads. If it wasn't for the tireless work of the moderate imams, telling me that my ideas are bad, I would be putting on a suicide vest as we speak.

The struggle is real guys.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wonder if Muslims feel such a thing as "Muslim guilt" when stupid stuff like this happens, just like how white people feel "white guilt" every time a black person is unjustly killed by police.

[killer_carlson]

From my perspective I think that moderate muslims are doing a much better job in the last several months of calling out the radicals than they have in years past. This is good to see.

I think we will see more of it in respect of these comments.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Honestly just denouncing the behaviour is nowhere near enough. You're horrified that the Charlie Hebdo incident occurred, or that a journalist was beheaded on camera? Well, no kidding, any decent human being should be. But it occurred as a specific response to religious doctrine. It's not enough to say you're horrified; there needs to be a serious discussion about how to address these doctrines within the faith itself.

[Bill Bumface]

If we expect the moderate Muslims to be calling out the terrorists en mass, why aren't the moderate Christian Americans calling out their leaders for civilian "collateral damage" with widespread demonstrations?

"God" is stamped all over governing the US, so it really isn't a big reach to contrast the two situations.

In my interactions, many people believe "Yup, some innocent kids died, but it probably saved American lives, and it's there fault for being in an area with terrorists. Unfortunate but necessary".

That's pretty awful, in my opinion.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

1. American leaders are not actively justifying their behaviour on religious grounds. After a bombing, Obama isn't getting on TV and quoting scripture as the underlying reason for his decision to execute a military maneuver. (lol of course he wouldn't he's a secret muslim lol - Dubya didn't do so either). In contrast, the Charlie Hebdo individuals are exclaiming that they have avenged the Prophet. That guy quoted on the last page is specifically saying that people should be killed in the name of Islam.

Even in the case of clearly immoral behaviour, there is an obvious difference between Person X killing someone while happening to be a Christian, and Person Y killing someone on the basis of his Christian beliefs.

2. Killing innocent people isn't the goal. If it were possible to execute these strikes with zero collateral damage, the American military would do so. Contrast that with a suicide bombing - innocent deaths are the goal. Do the intentions just not matter to you?

[acerbic_1]

Originally Posted by Dagger

This "islamophobia" narrative is really tiring.

As is the misuse of the term Islamophobia. Anyone challenging Islamist activity is deemed a racist Islamophobe by a disturbingly large uniformed group of "politically correct" sheeple.

[acerbic_1]

Originally Posted by _Q_

As a moderate Muslim who has lived in Canada for over 25 years, sometimes I get the urge to lob off a few infidels' heads. If it wasn't for the tireless work of the moderate imams, telling me that my ideas are bad, I would be putting on a suicide vest as we speak.

The struggle is real guys.

So, as a "moderate" you don't abide the inconvenient aspects of Islam, (such as murder, beheading, mutilation, etc.), or seek to impose global Islamic rule and the ultimate subjugation of all non-Islalamic entities?

Doesn't that border on apostasy for not following verbatim the Qur’an and the Hadith?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by acerbic_1

So, as a "moderate" you don't abide the inconvenient aspects of Islam, (such as murder, beheading, mutilation, etc.), or seek to impose global Islamic rule and the ultimate subjugation of all non-Islalamic entities?

Doesn't that border on apostasy for not following verbatim the Qur’an and the Hadith?

Wtf? Is this serious?

I can believe in whatever the hell I want.

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by acerbic_1

Doesn't that border on apostasy for not following verbatim the Qur’an and the Hadith?

Do you expect Christians to "follow verbatim" the Bible?

Or Jewish people to "follow verbatim" the Torah?

[jayswin]

Can we just stop white people from dropping their knowledge of and feelings towards muslims on CP? I get that cringy feeling I get when an old white guy says "Well here's what I think of those guys" every time you guys post.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by acerbic_1

As is the misuse of the term Islamophobia. Anyone challenging Islamist activity is deemed a racist Islamophobe by a disturbingly large uniformed group of "politically correct" sheeple.

Yep, there is no such thing! It's a completely rational fear to have.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Wtf? Is this serious?

I can believe in whatever the hell I want.

Of course you can. I assume he was trying to pin down what moderate means.

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Do you expect Christians to "follow verbatim" the Bible?

Or Jewish people to "follow verbatim" the Torah?

I expect them not to, hopefully; at least not the parts about burning witches and killing Amalekites.

Originally Posted by flameswin

Can we just stop white people from dropping their knowledge of and feelings towards muslims on CP? I get that cringy feeling I get when an old white guy says "Well here's what I think of those guys" every time you guys post.

I agree; everyone should read the Koran so that they have a full understanding of the religion if they want to criticize its doctrines.

Originally Posted by Dagger

Yep, there is no such thing! It's a completely rational fear to have.

Yes there is. You can be bigoted against Muslims just as you can against any identifiable minority. The term is however frequently misapplied to people who are pointing out bad ideas and how those ideas are being implemented to horrifying effect.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by ernie

so guilty until proven innocent?

The large majority of mosques and muslim leadership in the western world has denounced ISIS and continue to do so.

Yes of course they do but they mostly do it within the mosques, If the so-called Islamophobia exists it's because the lack of public outcry from the muslim leadership. I'm talking TV, ralleys, parades etc.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yes of course they do but they mostly do it within the mosques, If the so-called Islamophobia exists it's because the lack of public outcry from the muslim leadership. I'm talking TV, ralleys, parades etc.

I'm pretty sure that's happened.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'm pretty sure that's happened.

Obviously not enough, I have no religion but I watched the Pope on CNN plead for calm and peace after ISIS slaughtered a bunch of christian priests last year.

Islam has no true leader to speak for all...this is the problem, half of them hate each other so unity isn't happening any time soon.