2015/2016 - Predict the starting lineup

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think Treliving will go after UFAs this time around. He is not in win now mode. He is not upsetting the long term plans to fill holes next year with older guys requiring paydays and long term deals. There's really not too many holes to fill if the development plan is still intact he like said it was. And any trdeaways will be for more picks, prospects or young guys.

What do you mean by multi-year deals over $10M? Because that bet sounds enticing. Treliving hasn't signed a contract like that yet. The closest was Hiller, and that was only two years at a specialized position.

He is not in win now mode, but there are holes (2C, 2RW, 5D) that need addressed and it's not like there are young players pushing for those spots specifically (Bennett aside, I'm assuming he will start out at LW). I think if there is a fit with a 28-31 year old UFA that they can fit in under a reasonable term, he will do it.

By multiyear deals at $10m, I mean something like offering Drew Stafford for instance, 3 years $14m or 2 years $10m. Or offering Christian Erhoff 2 years $13m, something like that. I didn't mean $10m AAV or anything crazy like that. That said, I don't expect Treliving will go over 3 years on any offer, but he can offer a higher AAV than any other team so that might swing the odds in our favor anyway, even if another team is offering 5 years at a lower AAV.

EDIT: I should note, I think Stafford would be an excellent fit on this team. Still not 30, proven 20+ goal scorer, shoots right, can play C and RW, is big, pretty fast. His problem is consistency and he could be more physical. Though if he were consistent and more punishing, he'd probably still be on Buffalo making $7m per year and not available as a UFA come July 1st.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

He is not in win now mode, but there are holes (2C, 2RW, 5D) that need addressed and it's not like there are young players pushing for those spots specifically (Bennett aside, I'm assuming he will start out at LW). I think if there is a fit with a 28-31 year old UFA that they can fit in under a reasonable term, he will do it.

By multiyear deals at $10m, I mean something like offering Drew Stafford for instance, 3 years $14m or 2 years $10m. Or offering Christian Erhoff 2 years $13m, something like that. I didn't mean $10m AAV or anything crazy like that. That said, I don't expect Treliving will go over 3 years on any offer, but he can offer a higher AAV than any other team so that might swing the odds in our favor anyway, even if another team is offering 5 years at a lower AAV.

EDIT: I should note, I think Stafford would be an excellent fit on this team. Still not 30, proven 20+ goal scorer, shoots right, can play C and RW, is big, pretty fast. His problem is consistency and he could be more physical. Though if he were consistent and more punishing, he'd probably still be on Buffalo making $7m per year and not available as a UFA come July 1st.

UFA's aren't as keen to sign short term higher paying contracts due to the risks that come with them.

Also any sense of what is being built in Calgary doesn't matter if you only pitch a couple years at a UFA as it screams "we dont want you here long term"

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by FBI

I find it quite telling that of the 31 lineups we've posted in this thread, a grand total of 4 have Raymond on them.

One he's on the 5th line.
Two he's a player x / player y option
Only one lineup is he actually penciled in a spot.

Think the writing is on the wall for this guy. (hoping so anyway)

Raymond was one of the few guys that could actually skate with the Ducks, but the problem is that he has no finish (or is very inconsistent at best). It doesn't help when guys like Bouma, Jones and Jooris are producing as much if not more than him because they all bring more grit and physicality than Raymond.

Willing to give him another year to establish himself offensively (plus it's good to have some veteran depth), but he has to know there are other guys waiting to take his spot in the lineup (see Poirier, Emile).

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Always fun to guess.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Bennett - Backlund - *Oshie
Ferland - Bouma - Colborne
Bollig - Stajan - Jooris
Shore

*Granlund, Raymond, Jones traded

Giordano - Brodie
Russell - Wideman
Wotherspoon - Engelland
Schlemko

Ramo
Ortio

* Hiller traded

He's signed for 2 more years in St. Louis. Good player though.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Weitz

UFA's aren't as keen to sign short term higher paying contracts due to the risks that come with them.

Also any sense of what is being built in Calgary doesn't matter if you only pitch a couple years at a UFA as it screams "we dont want you here long term"

Fair enough and you're probably right. Personally, I would go to 5 years on a guy like Stafford but I'm not sure Treliving will go more than 3, based on what we saw last summer. Could be the difference between getting the guy or not, I guess it depends on how much he likes the player. Personally, I would take 3x6m over 5x4m if I were a player and those were the theoretical options.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by azzarish

He's signed for 2 more years in St. Louis. Good player though.

You do know that NHL teams are allowed to make trades with each other, right?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by codynw

You do know that NHL teams are allowed to make trades with each other, right?

...And why do the Blues, a top-tier team, trade a quality top 6 forward for bottom 6ers on a mid-tier team?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

...And why do the Blues, a top-tier team, trade a quality top 6 forward for bottom 6ers on a mid-tier team?

Lots of rumors out there that Oshie is available. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved at the draft. Another playoff disappointment in STL, hard not to see them making some changes. Oshie and Bergland look like prime candidates to change teams this summer

[dammage79]

I believe Oshie could re-kindle his game under Hartley. Berglund too for that matter. Either would be good acquisitions.

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by codynw

You do know that NHL teams are allowed to make trades with each other, right?

Read the next post you replied to.

And yes, I know NHL teams are allowed to trade with each other. Take posts at face value sometimes.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Man, the amount of college tail that will be lined up outside his dorm every night...

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler
Sharp-Bennett-Jones
Bouwma-Backlund-Colborne
Ferland-Stajan-Thikonov
Bollig, Shore

Giordano-Brodie
Russell-Wideman
Franson-Engelland
Schlemko, Wotherspoon

Ramo
Ortio

One of the best lineup predictions I've seen.

That is a lineup that is possible without giving up the future or change the direction in this team.
Always earned, never given. That creates some serious competition in positions of strength and allows depth on the left and right side. Poirier, Shore, Bollig all possible depth guys next season.

With that said, I can see Granlund asking for a move if he isn't gonna be a fulltime flame.

The biggest thing tho.. What about Jooris? Was this an oversight or is he moved?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by azzarish

He's signed for 2 more years in St. Louis. Good player though.

I was saying to my boss the other day "Bennet reminds me a young T.J. Oshie".

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by azzarish

He's signed for 2 more years in St. Louis. Good player though.

Yeah, also all kinds of rumours last season about St-Louis shedding salary. They also have to re-sign Tarasenko.

[Yanda]

I dont see the flames making many moves this offseason as we kinda picked up extra unneeded contracts last off season Hiller/Raymond/Engelland and to a less extent Bollig.
I could however see the Flames making a trade for a Top 6 RW or Top 4 RD, but I think they will address this at the 2016 trade deadline if needed as opposed to this offseason

Gaudreau - Monahan - Hudler
Coborne - Bennett - Jones
Bouma - Backlund - Jooris
Ferland - Stajan - Shore

Bollig, Granlund, Raymond, Poirier (Top 9 Only)

Brodie - Giordano
Russell - Wideman
Engelland - Schlemko

Morrison, Tspoon, Pre-Season Tryout/Diaz, Smid if hes playing

Hiller (Ramo if Hiller can be Moved)
Ortio

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Yanda

I dont see the flames making many moves this offseason as we kinda picked up extra unneeded contracts last off season Hiller/Raymond/Engelland and to a less extent Bollig.

Let me stop you right there...

Hiller was arguably the difference in the Canucks series. Unneeded contract picked up?

Engalland was one of the only reason our D didn't get completely manhandled in both series... Must I remind you of the Hamuis/Dorsett vs Engalland? Unneeded contract?.. One of the main reasons why we got to where we were this season.

Brandon Bollig. Scored 2 goals in the playoffs but they were likely 2 of the biggest in his career and ignited the Flames to win those games when they needed big goals. Was a monster on the 4th line this season. Unneeded contract?...

Listen.. I don't want to pretend to know the future for these guys.. But they all played a significant role this season especially in the playoffs.

Its those kind of quality depth players that surprise in the playoffs and pick a team up when they are down. See Matt Belesky.

That is all.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Its those kind of quality depth players that surprise in the playoffs and pick a team up when they are down. See Matt Belesky.

That is all.

Im not saying they didnt have there moments, but they were all treliving depth moves imo. Also Belesky is the 2nd coming of David Clarkson not Justin Williams.

Maybe I should have just posted my lineup instead of my opinion

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Lots of rumors out there that Oshie is available. I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved at the draft. Another playoff disappointment in STL, hard not to see them making some changes. Oshie and Bergland look like prime candidates to change teams this summer

Backes and Stastny as well, St.Louis doesn't like to spend to the cap and have to sign RFA,s Tarasenko,Bortuzzo and Allen and probably would want Jackman back as well. I think they'll be very active at the draft.

[heep223]

Backes would look fantastic on this team. I like Oshie but do we really need another under sized winger?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by #-3

If you think they need 3 who would you get rid of?

I know the Flames have a size issue on D.
But they are adding a Norris level Dman to their playoff roster.

They have 4 defencemen who effectively play a first line role at times this season, on a second round playoff team playoff team.

I also think Engelland was great in the second half of the season and why wouldn't you want him to stay in a roster spot?

Wotherspoon & Schlemko are young enough with allot of upside left, and slot in perfectly as a 7/8, and they both play different games depending on what your needs are.

I'm not sure what the status of Smid is, or if he will even be back.

To say they are 3 defencemen away is asinine.

At most you could say the Flames need a good physical 3rd pairing Dman, and could stand to trade Russel or Wideman in for more of a pyshical threat like Gelinas (just a name that has been out there).

That's 2 Dmen at most, and to add those guys the would pretty much need to get rid of Smid & Wideman or Russell.

I think they could also stand to add a vary good young 8/9 to their organization, to push Schlemko or Wotherspoon to earn their chances, I don't think that guy is in our organization but he could be (see Josh Jooris).

The 3 that get replaced are Schlemko Wootherspoon and Smid.


Schlemko is not even Flames property as he is a UFA. If he really is an NHL level d-man why would you expect that he would be a lock to sign with the Flames? He is exactly as much Flames Property as Mike Green and Paul Martin.

There is also the glaring fact that he was waived by 2 non-playoff teams in 2015... The Flames went with 4 d-men in the playoffs and #4 Engelland got over 20 minutes a game and Schlemko 14 minutes...... not exactly a glowing endorsement form Hartley who basically was down to 5 d-men.

Smid is coming off a severe neck injury... Prior to that he was the Flames #6 d-man -12 on a positive team with 14 minutes of ice time.

You do understand that Wootherspoon is definitely not a lock to make the NHL team next year.... He will not be a deciding factor in the Flames not adding 3 D-men above him on the depth chart.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The 3 that get replaced are Schlemko Wootherspoon and Smid.


Schlemko is not even Flames property as he is a UFA. If he really is an NHL level d-man why would you expect that he would be a lock to sign with the Flames? He is exactly as much Flames Property as Mike Green and Paul Martin.

There is also the glaring fact that he was waived by 2 non-playoff teams in 2015... The Flames went with 4 d-men in the playoffs and #4 Engelland got over 20 minutes a game and Schlemko 14 minutes...... not exactly a glowing endorsement form Hartley who basically was down to 5 d-men.

Smid is coming off a severe neck injury... Prior to that he was the Flames #6 d-man -12 on a positive team with 14 minutes of ice time.

You do understand that Wootherspoon is definitely not a lock to make the NHL team next year.... He will not be a deciding factor in the Flames not adding 3 D-men above him on the depth chart.

So 2 of the 3 defensemen you were talking about are not even roster players?

I know when your building at team you don't overlook anything, but needed to sign, re-sign, trade for or develop a 7th and 8th defenseman in the summer while you have plenty of cap space to burn isn't really an issue fans need to worry about too much.