What will Giordano's next contract be?

[Aleks]

The amount of crapping on our best defenseman in this thread is hilarious. He is the face of the team, he is the driving force behind where we are, he is the captain, and he has earned a substantial raise. As soon as payday comes about you guys are are all lowballing......funny bunch

[OBCT]

6 x 7.75 = $46.5 mil

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

He doesn't have the resume to be among the highest paid players in the league. I'd be really worried about going a penny over 7x7. Even that could really blow up in the Flames face.

Why does it have to be done this summer? If Giordano want to be payed like a Norris trophy winner he should be given that chance. Let him start the season without an extension. If he is still playing like a Norris candidate in February, then pay him.

But for a guy who will be 32 when next season starts, he just doesn't have the resume that an elite player should have. I wanna see him do it for at lest another half of a season.

And he says...."no I think I will wait 4 months and see what I might fetch in an open market".

Lock him down ASAP and then get to work on getting another piece or two and see what happens next year.

[spuzzum]

Gio will get a 6 yr deal @ 7.25 mil AAV.

[Stay Golden]

7.5m per 5 years. 37.5m

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And he says...."no I think I will wait 4 months and see what I might fetch in an open market".

Lock him down ASAP and then get to work on getting another piece or two and see what happens next year.

Exactly. If the Flames stiffed him like that, he would 100% test the waters.

You'd have Edmonton taking out a 2nd mortgage on their new rink to pay Gio.

[keratosis]

So long as it's with the Flames I can probably live with it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

They are going to get creative on this one, it will look like Kiprusoff's last deal.

6 years $39m $6.5m AAV

16/17- $9m
17/18- $9m
18/19- $9m
19/20- $6m
20/21- $4m
21/22- $2m

[GGG]

For the first 2 yrs he is worth Subban money so 9 million per. Then each year after his value declines say 7,5,5. So you get to about a 5 yr 35 million deal.

If he wants longer the AAV drops and also you front load the deal as much as possible so the net present value is higher. So max signing bonus if that's still aloud and low salary throughout. Moving 1 million from the last year to the first year is worth about 700k

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

They are going to get creative on this one, it will look like Kiprusoff's last deal.

6 years $39m $6.5m AAV

16/17- $9m
17/18- $9m
18/19- $9m
19/20- $6m
20/21- $4m
21/22- $2m

That wouldn't be a valid contract under the current CBA. On a front-loaded contract, the lowest year can't be less than 50% of the highest year.

[curves2000]

I am of the opinion of a few things here.

1) Treleving is a very very tough cookie with negotiating. Rumor has it during the Bouma contract deal that dragged on last summer the 2 sides were less than $20 000 a year on a longer term deal. That one is gonna bite a bit I think this summer.

Long term deals for aging players are controversial and usually don't end well. Too many teams are looking to get out of disaster contracts for longer term. Phanuef, Kessel, Chara, Richards, Dustin Brown heck even the Wideman deal didn't look great until Dennis took it upon himself to improve his play. His contract was signed under a team and management that was still pushing for the Cup. After we blew it up not sure how great of a contract it looked like then.

My opinion isn't what a lot of people like to hear but this is a player who might be traded before the contract comes due so it needs to be attractive to teams involved.

For me something along the lines of 4 years at $7 million if Gio is looking for the big pay day.

If he wants a little extra term and something like a LTC than it would be 6 years at 5.75.

From a starting point he would be starting the contract as a 33 year old. When the comparisons to players like Doughty, Weber, Subban etc come up people are forgetting the contracts with the above mentioned players were signed when they were 5-10 years younger than Gio.

One of the benefits of signing the player a year early is it gets it over and done with and it offers a lot of security for the player and his family. Factors such as injury, trade, change of ownership, coach, GM etc all can alter a teams and players plans.

I really think people are going to be very surprised with this deal and in a very good way too.

my $.02

[It's a great day 4 hockey]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am of the opinion of a few things here.

1) Treleving is a very very tough cookie with negotiating. Rumor has it during the Bouma contract deal that dragged on last summer the 2 sides were less than $20 000 a year on a longer term deal. That one is gonna bite a bit I think this summer.

Long term deals for aging players are controversial and usually don't end well. Too many teams are looking to get out of disaster contracts for longer term. Phanuef, Kessel, Chara, Richards, Dustin Brown heck even the Wideman deal didn't look great until Dennis took it upon himself to improve his play. His contract was signed under a team and management that was still pushing for the Cup. After we blew it up not sure how great of a contract it looked like then.

My opinion isn't what a lot of people like to hear but this is a player who might be traded before the contract comes due so it needs to be attractive to teams involved.

For me something along the lines of 4 years at $7 million if Gio is looking for the big pay day.

If he wants a little extra term and something like a LTC than it would be 6 years at 5.75.

From a starting point he would be starting the contract as a 33 year old. When the comparisons to players like Doughty, Weber, Subban etc come up people are forgetting the contracts with the above mentioned players were signed when they were 5-10 years younger than Gio.

One of the benefits of signing the player a year early is it gets it over and done with and it offers a lot of security for the player and his family. Factors such as injury, trade, change of ownership, coach, GM etc all can alter a teams and players plans.

I really think people are going to be very surprised with this deal and in a very good way too.

my $.02

Not even maybe. If Johnny Boychuk gets 6 million for 7 years Giordano gets at least 7 million for 6 years and that would be a hometown discount.

[T@T]

6yr - 42m is my guess (7m cap hit)

$8m
$8m
$7m
$6m
$5m
$4m
$4m

Like Iggy he takes fitness very seriously so $4m at 37-38 he might be a steal for the owners.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Aleks

The amount of crapping on our best defenseman in this thread is hilarious. He is the face of the team, he is the driving force behind where we are, he is the captain, and he has earned a substantial raise. As soon as payday comes about you guys are are all lowballing......funny bunch

Who in this thread is crapping on Gio? Look at the poll results. Read the thread. Most of us (myself included) are suggesting that the Flames should put Gio amongst the highest paid players in the league until his late 30s early 40s.

My only issue with this is that I don't think it needs to be done this summer. And if a Giordano extension is announced this summer I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

And BTW, Giordano is not the driving force behind where we are. That is Hartley, Monahan, Hudler, Gaudreau, Backlund, Jones, Bouma Colborne, Stajan, Bolig, Bennett, Raymond, Byron, Ferland, Wideman, Russell, Brodie, Engelland, Schlemko, Hiller, Ramo AND Giordano. I know I forgot a few but you get the point. This is a team.

And the face of the team is debatable. I'd go with Hartley myself.

[442scotty]

A redo of the last year of his contract for a total of 4 yrs at 6.5 Mil per

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Great guy, great captain and even better player... but 31 years old, three consecutive (non-lockout) seasons of missing 20 games, and only two consecutive seasons playing at a Norris-calibre level.

Option One
Four years @ five million per year, with an annual bonus of one million for 70 games played

Option Two
Two years @ six million per year, with an annual bonus of one million for 70 games played

Edit: On second thought, I wouldn't offer the two year deal. I'd want him signed for the next four years minimum. We just need him on the ice for more than 3/4 of a season.

Both of these are hilarious under pays. And ONLY two years of Norris calibar defense... so that puts him in a group with who Weber, Doughty, Keith, Subban and Karlsson? Do you really think any of those guys would get anywhere near $5 million a year?

I'll be amazed if its anything less than $7m/year and expect over $8m.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm not a fan of some of the proposals being thrown around in this thread. The fact is that he's 32 years old and will never replicate this season's production. Offering contracts based on past performance is a bad way to do business in professional sports as you have to be realistic about where he's going to be on the back end of the deal. I simply don't see how you can offer more than a five year deal to a player that will be 33 years old at the beginning of the deal. It's simply going to handcuff the team when their young guys require getting paid. Personally I would offer a front loaded deal for four years giving him $7 million over the first two seasons dropping to $4.5 so the average cap hit is less than $6 million so the contract isn't an albatross in the last year of the deal.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Some of the proposals in this thread are shockingly low. Giordano is CURRENTLY being paid as a 2nd pairing average NHL defenseman. He's elevated his status to Norris conversations and Top 10 lists for the entire NHL. Not only that, he's the captain of the team and one of the biggest reasons for the current culture of this team, as by all accounts from Hartley, Treliving etc. If Iginla was worth 7 million AAV during his tenure and was regarded as one of the top forwards in the game, then Giordano is worth AT LEAST 7 million AAV as one of the best defensemen in the game, before you even consider inflation and current market value for a defenseman of his calibre. He's earned the right to be paid, and I'm not saying go crazy and give him 10 million a year, but he should at least be in the top 10% of the league in terms of salary.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not a fan of some of the proposals being thrown around in this thread. The fact is that he's 32 years old and will never replicate this season's production. Offering contracts based on past performance is a bad way to do business in professional sports as you have to be realistic about where he's going to be on the back end of the deal. I simply don't see how you can offer more than a five year deal to a player that will be 33 years old at the beginning of the deal. It's simply going to handcuff the team when their young guys require getting paid. Personally I would offer a front loaded deal for four years giving him $7 million over the first two seasons dropping to $4.5 so the average cap hit is less than $6 million so the contract isn't an albatross in the last year of the deal.

First of all, how the hell do you know this? (BTW, he's turning 32 in October)

I don't disagree with the truth that there are players who have longer contracts that become a burden, but unless Giordano starts having major injuries that actually change how effective he can be on the ice, then there's little to worry about him becoming a burden. His fitness and commitment levels are through the roof, hence why Treliving wants to get an extension done ASAP. A 5-6 year deal makes sense, but your assertions about what will undoubtedly happen to Giordano in the future are far too presumptive and negative.

Originally Posted by OBCT

6 x 7.75 = $46.5 mil

This is pretty much what I would offer, although maybe 5 years instead, but I'd be good with 6.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

8mil 2016-17 (Age 33)
7mil 2017-18 (Age 34)
6mil 2018-19 (Age 35)
5.5mil 2019-20 (Age 36)
4.5mil 2020-21 (Age 37)

6.2 million cap hit

I think this is reasonable for both sides. He gets paid now and then we can look to extend him when he is 37 for a lower cap hit.

We can win with him, even when he is 33 to 37. He is the fittest guy at camp and throughout the season, so I am not worried about that. He can't continue to play 25 minutes a night though if he is going to last long enough to help us win.

5 years around 6.5 to 7 is what I would offer.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by getbak

That wouldn't be a valid contract under the current CBA. On a front-loaded contract, the lowest year can't be less than 50% of the highest year.

Ah thanks. I thought it was 50% of the previous year. In that case Giordano's contract will definitely be 7m+ cap hit, maybe even 8m