Ramo vs Hiller | Who Stays?

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I think with Ortio coming to town next year, we can't really lose choosing either one of Hiller or Ramo. I suspect we will have another year of a 1A and 1B tandem. It really is a stark contrast from 5 years ago when Kipper would have to play upwards of 70 games.

My personal preference would be to sign Ramo and hopefully get some assets for Hiller.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

I think Ramos biggest flaw of over committing is something that can be fixed + our D do a great job of covering for it.
Hiller's biggest flaw is letting in easy goals and then bouncing back with incredible saves. Unfortunately, all it takes is a easy goal and it can deflate an entire team.

Ramo is younger and the passion he showed in the playoffs is the type of passion I want to see in a goalie. He seems like a quiet guy off the ice but takes his job extremely seriously.

Had you asked me 2 months ago, I would have said keep Hiller but I now say Ramo.

That's going to be hard than you think. Kipper did the same thing, it's how they were trained, you'd almost have to rebuild his style.

[FlamesFanFromBC]

I believe we will lose Ramo to free agency and Hiller will be our #1 with Ortio as backup.

I'm OK with that, while Ramo can play better than Hiller for stretches over the length of the season Hiller is still the better overall goalie.

[acerbic_1]

GF says Ramo.

Colour-coordinated equipment.

[MelBridgeman]

Don't really see much difference between the two, we should still need to get something back in value for either of them.

Worst case scenario we lose Ramo to Edmonton via free agency

[Sylvanfan]

The UFA market for goal tenders this coming season is pretty bleak, especially if Dubnyk was to resign in Minnesota.

So for a guy like Ramo, it might now be the worst thing to see what opportunities exist on the market. I would prefer to sign him for say 2-3 years and than try to trade Hiller in the offseason.

I still have reservations about just giving Ortio one of the two spots on the roster next year too. But at this point I think you have to follow thru with it, even if it means letting Ramo walk. The organization will need to do something about it's AHL and ECHL depth though, because one injury to any of the two guys in Calgary or Jon Gilles and things get really dicey.

[Red John]

Why would someone else trade a good asset for Hiller when they could just sign Ramo for dollars only?

Everyone seems to be saying sign Ramo, trade Hiller but this isn't EA sports.

Thing is, both of them are real hot-and-cold guys and it was awesome having both of them to spell each other so the Flames basically could ride hot streaks from each and sit them down when they cooled off.

If a team decides Ramo is starter material and pays him accordingly the Flames would be smart to walk away. Ramo finished the playoffs so it's easy to forget, but Hiller played very well in the canucks series. He'll be playing for another contract next year so why not keep a motivated Hiller and see what you have in Ortio, who looked very NHL-ready in his short time this year.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Red John

Why would someone else trade a good asset for Hiller when they could just sign Ramo for dollars only?

Everyone seems to be saying sign Ramo, trade Hiller but this isn't EA sports.

Thing is, both of them are real hot-and-cold guys and it was awesome having both of them to spell each other so the Flames basically could ride hot streaks from each and sit them down when they cooled off.

If a team decides Ramo is starter material and pays him accordingly the Flames would be smart to walk away. Ramo finished the playoffs so it's easy to forget, but Hiller played very well in the canucks series. He'll be playing for another contract next year so why not keep a motivated Hiller and see what you have in Ortio, who looked very NHL-ready in his short time this year.

Well the Flames have the advantage in that they are the only team who can resign Ramo prior to July 5th, and are the only ones who can talk to him until July 1st.

Hiller may have some trade appeal in that his contract is only for one more season, and the Flames could conceivably eat salary on it.

[flamefan74]

Originally Posted by Red John

Why would someone else trade a good asset for Hiller when they could just sign Ramo for dollars only?

Everyone seems to be saying sign Ramo, trade Hiller but this isn't EA sports.

You sign Ramo before July 1st and then trade Hiller after.

[OILFAN #81]

If Hiller was up for being the 1B for 1 year, I think Calgary should re-sign Ramo and have him be the starter next year. Hiller has 1 year left on his deal. You guys should stick with the same tandem in net IMO and then the year after next have a Ramo/Ortio situation.

Teams will be interested in Ramo in the offseason and IMO Calgary would be wise to re-sign him to a 2-3 year contract.

[Lil Pedro]

People forget that if Ramo didn't get hurt in that game versus Edmonton, he would have most likely started the playoffs (granted I understand Hiller had a shutout that game and was pretty good). The point is that near the end of the season he was taking the ball and running with it, which was something that Hiller was unable to do when his opportunities came.

In all, would like to see Hiller moved and Ramo resigned. Hiller lets in the soft or early goal too much and too often for my liking. Think teams will be more willing to take him on considering this is the last year of his contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

If Hiller was up for being the 1B for 1 year, I think Calgary should re-sign Ramo and have him be the starter next year. Hiller has 1 year left on his deal. You guys should stick with the same tandem in net IMO and then the year after next have a Ramo/Ortio situation.

Teams will be interested in Ramo in the offseason and IMO Calgary would be wise to re-sign him to a 2-3 year contract.

LOL - are you hoping Ortio gets exposed to waivers? Or just that the Flames carry 3 goalies?

[Red John]

Originally Posted by flamefan74

You sign Ramo before July 1st and then trade Hiller after.

Ok sure, and that's good asset management but why would a team then trade an asset for Hiller if they could sign Niemi for dollars only?

Then there's the Ottawa situation. Nobody is forced to pay a high price since there's another option in Anderson or maybe Lehner.

Not getting all the love for Ramo quite frankly. His numbers over the entire season are serviceable at best, and if you re-sign him you probably have to commit serious term to a guy who isn't really a No. 1 goalie.

On the other hand you can keep Hiller for one more year and see what you have in Ortio. If he shows himself as a starter you can let Hiller walk.

It's like deferring the Ortio situation another year. If you commit term to Ramo now it'd be an unmoveable contract if Ortio pans out.

[Fire]

If the Flames are going to improve in the net next year, it will depend on Ortio's progression. Having Ramo or Hiller won't make much difference.

[dammage79]

Goalie trade market is going to be super weak in terms of teams interested.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I still have reservations about just giving Ortio one of the two spots on the roster next year too. But at this point I think you have to follow thru with it, even if it means letting Ramo walk.

Yeah Ortio has a 1 way contract next year so he's pretty much guaranteed a spot on the big team. He is going to have a chance over the next season or two to become a legitimate starting NHL goalie....Turku-bot 2.0

[FanIn80]

I would be pretty happy with Ramo/Ortio as our tandem next season.

[bax]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL - are you hoping Ortio gets exposed to waivers? Or just that the Flames carry 3 goalies?

Just because Ortio will be on a one way contract does not mean that he is waiver eligible. It just means that he gets paid the same salary regardless if he is in the NHL or the AHL.

However, with Gillies needing playing time it is all but assured that one of Ramo or Hiller is gone.

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by bax

Just because Ortio will be on a one way contract does not mean that he is waiver eligible. It just means that he gets paid the same salary regardless if he is in the NHL or the AHL.

However, with Gillies needing playing time it is all but assured that one of Ramo or Hiller is gone.

Yeah it does IIRC. If we send him down, he has to go through waivers

[Heavy Jack]

I say Ramo, I like his style better than Hiller's, he's a Fin just like Ortio, he's younger and he stole the starter spot from Hiller after game one of this series. I like Jonas, I really do, but I think he's better served as a goalie we deal for picks to a team looking for that #1 to give them a better chance to contend next year while we sign Ramo to a 2-3 year deal which will give Gillies time to mature and Ortio time to take the full time spot while giving us a guy who played some solid hockey for us this year and down the stretch last spring.