In this case the terrorists had the automatic weapons and the guy who stopped them before likely a lot of "cartoonists" died was an off duty traffic cop with nothing more than a pistol.
Huh. Well, I clearly got that wrong. That guy is a hero. For real.
On the news they showed a bunch of musclebound jackoffs in fatigues with earpieces and the whole paramilitary thing going on. I just assumed...
I do think it's a little irresponsible to lure people into a controversial exercise with a high potential for violence with a cool $10K.
Knowing Americans like I do, I doubt very seriously if all of the artists participating in the contest were aware of the significance of their exercise. $10K is a lot of money and I imagine several artists who needed it were participating without knowing the risk.
I agree with those who said the event was real life trolling and I agree that they have every right to do that.
Doesn't make it ethical.
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I do think it's a little irresponsible to lure people into a controversial exercise with a high potential for violence with a cool $10K.
Knowing Americans like I do, I doubt very seriously if all of the artists participating in the contest were aware of the significance of their exercise. $10K is a lot of money and I imagine several artists who needed it were participating without knowing the risk.
I agree with those who said the event was real life trolling and I agree that they have every right to do that.
Doesn't make it ethical.
Wow, that's a completely bizarre statement, maybe we should all just stay at home because there's a potential for violence.
If the aim of terrorism is to create change through terror, and forcing people to give up their rights and freedoms then you're mind set is that these thugs have already won.
I'm not a big fan of these people, but the prospect of violence in their home country by what is a foreign terrorist threat shouldn't even come into the calculation.
This wasn't some sacrifice play by this group to put on the cartoon contest to draw terrorists out or to sacrifice themselves.
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Wow, that's a completely bizarre statement, maybe we should all just stay at home because there's a potential for violence.
If the aim of terrorism is to create change through terror, and forcing people to give up their rights and freedoms then you're mind set is that these thugs have already won.
I'm not a big fan of these people, but the prospect of violence in their home country by what is a foreign terrorist threat shouldn't even come into the calculation.
This wasn't some sacrifice play by this group to put on the cartoon contest to draw terrorists out or to sacrifice themselves.
I don't believe that this was the 77th annual Texas State Mohammed Cartoon Championships.
Obviously the group is promoting free speech. I'm all for that. I just take issue with the $10,000 prize and the effect it may have had on folks who aren't really up to speed on what's going on in the world.
I am the least artistic person on the face of the planet, so the threat certainly hasn't impacted me. However, if I were in the Dallas area and a kick ass cartoonist I would have been concerned about security before jumping in for sure. What I am saying is if you aren't aware of the Islamofascist disdain for drawings of Mohammed you might not even consider security for an event in which you stand to win $10K.
Maybe I am reaching.
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The American Freedom Defense Initiative is classified as a hate group by many organizations. This is exacly what they wanted IMO.
Both parties in this are complete scum imo.
Geller is the president of both, and of another group called Stop Islamization of Nations. Her website touts awards from Republican clubs as well as a Creative Zionist Coalition award for Jewish Heroism.
Among the groups' principles: "SION calls for an immediate halt of immigration by Muslims into nations that do not currently have a Muslim majority population."
It also calls for "surveillance of mosques and regular inspections of mosques in the U.S. and other non-Muslim nations to look for pro-violence materials."
It's definitley poking the bear (or rather, rat, as terrorists arent more than that), but given how crazy this issue had become, and how fearful people have become of retribution, maybe it's necessary.
Freedoms need to be defended every so often.
Also, it's apparent Muslim fundamentalists are fuzzy on their own religion. But we knew that already. And all other fundamentalists are as well in their religions anyway. It is only blasphemous to portray Mohammed, if you are Muslim. How can I blaspheme something I don't believe in? Unless you believe of course, everyone needs to be converted. And of course, that flies in the face of our freedons, or society, and basic common sense and dignity.
It's a distinction I wish moderate Muslims would pay more attention to. Why should their religion be immune to debate or ridicule when other religions are not? Yes it's insulting. But Christians and Jews (and every othet religion) deal with it all the time. And yes, most often people do do it to be mean spirited. But sometimes it's an important tool in debate, art, and raising issues.
The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see events like this happen all over the world. At least until there is some movement on the issue. Which could take a few different forms that I won't get into just now as I'm on my phone.
EDIT: to add, I'm not for the group or it's ideals. Save for this very important one. I think one can separate this idea from the group. Others have had it. Even Matt and Trey from South Park.
I don't believe that this was the 77th annual Texas State Mohammed Cartoon Championships.
Obviously the group is promoting free speech. I'm all for that. I just take issue with the $10,000 prize and the effect it may have had on folks who aren't really up to speed on what's going on in the world.
I am the least artistic person on the face of the planet, so the threat certainly hasn't impacted me. However, if I were in the Dallas area and a kick ass cartoonist I would have been concerned about security before jumping in for sure. What I am saying is if you aren't aware of the Islamofascist disdain for drawings of Mohammed you might not even consider security for an event in which you stand to win $10K.
Maybe I am reaching.
Actually, I wouldn't call it reaching. I get what you are saying. I guess it comes down to if you believe the group hosting it was knowingly putting people in harms way for their own benefit. 'For their own benefit' being the key qualifer. Which they may have been considering their MO.
It's definitley poking the bear (or rather, rat, as terrorists arent more than that), but given how crazy this issue had become, and how fearful people have become of retribution, maybe it's necessary.
Freedoms need to be defended every so often.
Also, it's apparent Muslim fundamentalists are fuzzy on their own religion. But we knew that already. And all other fundamentalists are as well in their religions anyway. It is only blasphemous to portray Mohammed, if you are Muslim. How can I blaspheme something I don't believe in? Unless you believe of course, everyone needs to be converted. And of course, that flies in the face of our freedons, or society, and basic common sense and dignity.
It's a distinction I wish moderate Muslims would pay more attention to. Why should their religion be immune to debate or ridicule when other religions are not? Yes it's insulting. But Christians and Jews (and every othet religion) deal with it all the time. And yes, most often people do do it to be mean spirited. But sometimes it's an important tool in debate, art, and raising issues.
The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see events like this happen all over the world. At least until there is some movement on the issue. Which could take a few different forms that I won't get into just now as I'm on my phone.
EDIT: to add, I'm not for the group or it's ideals. Save for this very important one. I think one can separate this idea from the group. Others have had it. Even Matt and Trey from South Park.
Ealier this year in Texas a muslim group held a conference about combating extremism in their faith. Thwy were meet with protests telling them to go home and they were destroying america .
Well obviously those protesters had it wrong. Lots of groups like that in the Southern US.
I know stuff like that happens, and my posts in the past have defended moderate Muslims, pointed out racist viewpoints, even sticking up for the imam of Calgary.
I just wish on this particular issue they were a bit more outspoken. Even in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo massacre a lot of the talk was 'yes this was a horrible cowardly act, but...' There should be no 'but'. It's wrong. Period. Full Stop. And in providing even the tiniest reasoning or excuse of it, all one is saying is that it's ok to respond to an insult with violence. Which is beyond messed up. And doesn't say much about ones religion or beliefs either. Or self worth. If someone takes an insult that personally, they're messed up.
As for idiotic hate groups, they're confusing the situation and making things worse. But it doesn't mean you don't try anyway. I feel for those Muslims, I do. It's those brain dead protesters that are destroying America, not them.
It is not OK to kill someone because you are upset. It's just not OK. Even if they did something to offend you it is not OK. Even if they intentionally offended you it is not OK. etc etc etc
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The American Freedom Defense Initiative is classified as a hate group by many organizations. This is exacly what they wanted IMO.
Both parties in this are complete scum imo.
So the one party, this Geller guy, is against immigration of muslims and wants surveillance of muslims to look for indications of violence. That's bigoted fear-mongering, it's divisive and shameful.
The other party tried to murder people for the crime of drawing a cartoon.
"Both parties are complete scum"? You really want to draw an equivalence here?
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So the one party, this Geller guy, is against immigration of muslims and wants surveillance of muslims to look for indications of violence. That's bigoted fear-mongering, it's divisive and shameful.
The other party tried to murder people for the crime of drawing a cartoon.
"Both parties are complete scum"? You really want to draw an equivalence here?
that's the but argument my friend.
Group A does reprehensible things verbally or visually, and violence against them is wrong, but its understandable, when morons B try to use violence.
Its not.
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