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View Poll Results: What should the Flames have done with Bennett?
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It was perfect. Final regular season game and all playoffs.
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Playoffs only and let him play every game.
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Playoffs only and sit him off after nine games unless the series is close.
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05-05-2015, 01:04 PM
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#81
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this entire season has been based on Meritocracy.
NeverQuit, AlwaysEarned. We've seen the highest paid player, one of the team's veterans, BENCHED, not to mention others like bollig, raymond, jones, etc.
Well you can't live by that philosophy all season to suddenly just ignore it now for salary related concerns.
I'd imagine many players in the NHL have bonuses structured around individual contribution (goals, points, wins, etc). If it's common practice to sit players once the team has qualified for the playoffs/or rank in the playoffs, in an attempt to hinder a players ability to breach a bonus threshold, well then maybe this debate holds water. i don't think this is common practice at all, as such, there is no reason whatsoever to bench bennet.
There's only one flame player to score in the entire second round, guess who that is....
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05-05-2015, 01:05 PM
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#82
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Actually its probably closer to 2.5 million a year. With full bonuses Bennet comes in around 3.6 million.
Lets face it when Bennet signs his second contract his salary is not going to be an issue because you expect him to produce. In the mean time management needs to be smart and make sure that some of the more expensive depth type players like Jones, Raymond, Smid, Engelland are replaced with more economical options, and ensure the guys they do pay still produce.
Two more games to see first hand what the Ducks are doing is priceless in my books. This is experience that is really hard to get for an 18 year old player.
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05-05-2015, 01:07 PM
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#83
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
1. Bennett won't be a UFA any sooner because of this. He will get a bridge contract as an RFA one year sooner. UFAs are irrelevant to this conversation.
2. Whether or not Bennett has been better against the Ducks than Raymond (maybe/matbe not) or Wolf (don't make me laugh) and would sit if Ferland was healthy is also irrelevant because Ferland is not healthy. Plus, Ferland was healthy at the start of game one and Bennett wasn't sitting.
3. And are you really relying on a one game +/- as a stat to support a player playing in a game or not? The same player that's scored the only Flames goal in the series?
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You are saying that an absolute nothing goal in a game that was well over to the point that Johnny Hockey was benched for his own protection is an indication that he is doing well in this series????
Point # 3 The Oilers are getting full value with RNH , Eberle hall and even Yakapov scoring goals in meaningless lost games.
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05-05-2015, 01:09 PM
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#84
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
You are saying that an absolute nothing goal in a game that was well over to the point that Johnny Hockey was benched for his own protection is an indication that he is doing well in this series????
Point # 3 The Oilers are getting full value with RNH , Eberle hall and even Yakapov scoring goals in meaningless lost games.
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With that statement, you are saying Bennett is bad enough that we should bench him. And if that's the case, name 12 forwards you'd rather see ahead of Bennett.
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05-05-2015, 01:18 PM
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#85
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I'll take the organizational reputation goodwill and benefits for Bennett and beyond that this move is going to get us, not to mention the experience Bennett HAS gotten to date in a playoff series win, and will get as we either gets bounced in short order or push the Ducks and make a series of this.
All of the above is worth way more than whatever it will cost us earlier to keep the man.
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05-05-2015, 01:25 PM
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It's not over yet. If you have any chance of winning this series you need the kid.
He plays.
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05-05-2015, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
With that statement, you are saying Bennett is bad enough that we should bench him. And if that's the case, name 12 forwards you'd rather see ahead of Bennett.
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And here we go. Prepare for a huge reply full of obscure stats saying why someone like Wolf deserves to be in over Bennett.
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05-05-2015, 01:40 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
Which thankfully, he genuinely is. In fact, he is top 6 in my book right now. He's obviously still got lots of learning to do, but he's been stepping up when other guys have gone into a rut or lull.
Right now my top six are Mony, Johnny, Hudler, Bennett, Jones, Stajan. Although I don't necessarily want Stajan playing in the top 6, he is certainly been good in these here playoffs.
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His name is Mikael Backlund. Although the points don't show it, if you pay attention he has been one of our best forwards all playoffs.
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05-05-2015, 01:42 PM
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Since it only burns a year off his ELC but not his before UFA years, I'm totally ok with him playing.
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05-05-2015, 01:43 PM
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#90
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Location: Calgary
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Contract issue are irrelevant in regards to Bennett. He's earned every minute of ice time this series and is one of the only people to produce with any consistency.
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05-05-2015, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
His name is Mikael Backlund. Although the points don't show it, if you pay attention he has been one of our best forwards all playoffs.
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That is arguable. I have been paying attention (shocking) and I found that Backlund is being targeted and neutralized by oppositions. He hasn't been bad, but in my mind, he has not been an impact player.
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05-05-2015, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
That is arguable. I have been paying attention (shocking) and I found that Backlund is being targeted and neutralized by oppositions. He hasn't been bad, but in my mind, he has not been an impact player.
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He has been a huge impact defensively. Pay more attention.
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05-05-2015, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
He has been a huge impact defensively. Pay more attention.
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I'll empty out my whole savings account and pay as much attention as I can. But has he been better defensively than Stajan?
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05-05-2015, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
I'll empty out my whole savings account and pay as much attention as I can. But has he been better defensively than Stajan?
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Without a doubt in my mind.
He also leads the team in shots these playoffs by a fair margin.
Backlund 26
Jones 19
Monahan 17
Gaudreau 16
Wideman 15
Bennett 14
He isn't getting the credit he deserves.
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05-05-2015, 03:10 PM
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I'm right smack dab between you guys.
Backlund has been really effective defensively and solid all over the ice ...
but ...
brutal on turning the puck over
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completely snake bitten offensively.
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05-05-2015, 03:50 PM
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm right smack dab between you guys.
Backlund has been really effective defensively and solid all over the ice ...
but ...
brutal on turning the puck over
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completely snake bitten offensively.
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Also just seems to have made his mistakes at the wrong times (ie. unlucky).
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05-05-2015, 03:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm right smack dab between you guys.
Backlund has been really effective defensively and solid all over the ice ...
but ...
brutal on turning the puck over
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completely snake bitten offensively.
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The 3rd period alone last game was cringe worthy with that giveaway to Getzlaf putting him in all alone and that horrendous offside pass on that 3 on 2 with Gadreau which was on of the few odd man rushes Flames have had all series. Lets not forget he's the guy that turned over the puck on the Canucks 4th goal in game 6. He's been hot garbage all playoffs but that said a lot of the forwards haven't been great. When you consider offensively he's probably sinking any wingers he's paired with and how many turnovers he's making you can argue for Stajan to take his spot on the 2nd line and Granlund to take his spot on the 4th line at least for a game to try and change things up. Combine all that with the fact he can never seem to stay healthy and I think next season could be his last as a Flame.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 05-05-2015 at 03:58 PM.
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05-05-2015, 04:08 PM
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Backlund shoots a lot, but this series anyway, they seem to be on lone rushes to the high slot, with no traffic. No real danger created.
When he's on his game he is a really good defensive player. Lately he's been a bity cute on zone exits and entries, creating turnovers.
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05-05-2015, 04:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Some people are complete morons. I'll never understand that.
"They're not going to win the cup so they're stupid to burn a year of his ELC hurr durr!"
Idiots.
Its the second round of the playoffs, what exactly should we be waiting for?
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So I assume these same people think that McDavid should stay in the OHL next year? (and the year after, since the Oilers won't be winning a cup then either)
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05-05-2015, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
So I assume these same people think that McDavid should stay in the OHL next year? (and the year after, since the Oilers won't be winning a cup then either)
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Evidently.
I guess thats the Oilers mentality. If you cant be guaranteed to win the cup you shouldnt even bother trying.
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