Gender neutrality and political correctness discussion

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

^ I honestly cannot tell if you're serious.

[Hanna Sniper]

Ricci is not ugly, he is just repressed by the figures of beauty

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^ I honestly cannot tell if you're serious.

Oh really? Am I the first to make such an argument?

You cannot insult anyone for absolutely anything, as that is discrimination, sexism, etc.

Dumb, fat, ugly, girl, boy, sexuality, it is all the same.

[CroFlames]

Anyone watching the fight tonight? A bonafide woman abuser is currently being glorified, and it appears no one is really batting an eye about this.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Anyone watching the fight tonight? A bonafide woman abuser is currently being glorified, and it appears no one is really batting an eye about this.

You're not looking hard enough. Plenty of people are batting an eye about this. Do a search for "floyd mayweather domestic violence" on Google News and see how many articles show up.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You're not looking hard enough. Plenty of people are batting an eye about this. Do a search for "floyd mayweather domestic violence" on Google News and see how many articles show up.

Yeah, but you shouldn't have to look hard. It's the biggest story on the continent (in the world?) and the focus isn't this effing scumbag's habit of assaulting women (and even pleading guilty to it), it's about how much money he's going to make and what a grand spectacle it all is.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah, but you shouldn't have to look hard. It's the biggest story on the continent (in the world?) and the focus isn't this effing scumbag's habit of assaulting women (and even pleading guilty to it), it's about how much money he's going to make and what a grand spectacle it all is.

I don't follow boxing and knew literally nothing about Mayweather until all the hype this week, and yet I learned very quickly that he has a history of abuse just from reading a few stories in the mainstream press. This wasn't information I had to actively seek out.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I don't follow boxing and knew literally nothing about Mayweather until all the hype this week, and yet I learned very quickly that he has a history of abuse just from reading a few stories in the mainstream press. This wasn't information I had to actively seek out.

That's good to hear and yeah, it definitely got some play in the run-up, but not enough IMO.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You're not looking hard enough. Plenty of people are batting an eye about this. Do a search for "floyd mayweather domestic violence" on Google News and see how many articles show up.

Remember when Donald Sterling said he didn't want his lover bringing black guys to his games? You sure didn't need to "look harder" on the internet to find news about that.

You can be the judge of whose transgression is worse, Sterling's or Mayweather's, but Sterling basically lost everything, and Mayweather is collecting a huge payday tonight. If you ask me, people aren't batting eyes. Or at least important people aren't batting their eyes.

[Wormius]

It's a case of people having double standards based on whether they like the person or not. Like the whole Top Gear situation. People love Jeremy Clarkson so they are more than happy to just conveniently ignore his negative behavior.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Remember when Donald Sterling said he didn't want his lover bringing black guys to his games? You sure didn't need to "look harder" on the internet to find news about that.

You can be the judge of whose transgression is worse, Sterling's or Mayweather's, but Sterling basically lost everything, and Mayweather is collecting a huge payday tonight. If you ask me, people aren't batting eyes. Or at least important people aren't batting their eyes.

Sterling didn't lose anything. He was forced to sell his nba team for 2 billion dollars. Poor sterling. So in that sense both got to collect huge pay days despite being bad people.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by GGG

... despite being bad people.

It is quite unexplainable how our individual and collective definitions of bad people are slowly shifting over time.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

It is quite unexplainable how our individual and collective definitions of bad people are slowly shifting over time.

Perhaps in a general sense, but it's not unexplainable why a mewling racist and an admitted serial woman-beater would be defined as "bad people".

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Perhaps in a general sense, but it's not unexplainable why a mewling racist and an admitted serial woman-beater would be defined as "bad people".

But it is. All we know was that Sterling has made a racial remark. Bad thing to do, yes. What else do we know about him to label him a bad person? Is there a negative balance of good and bad deeds to call someone a bad person or does one bad thing automatically eliminates all good things and makes him/her a bad person immediately? Small historic example: Richard Wagner and Henry Ford were both racists. Both are admired today - one for his music, another for his business acumen. Are they bad people?

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

But it is. All we know was that Sterling has made a racial remark. Bad thing to do, yes. What else do we know about him to label him a bad person? Is there a negative balance of good and bad deeds to call someone a bad person or does one bad thing automatically eliminates all good things and makes him/her a bad person immediately? Small historic example: Richard Wagner and Henry Ford were both racists. Both are admired today - one for his music, another for his business acumen. Are they bad people?

Donald Sterling is a bad person.

From 2006: Sterling's racism should be news

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

But it is. All we know was that Sterling has made a racial remark. Bad thing to do, yes. What else do we know about him to label him a bad person? Is there a negative balance of good and bad deeds to call someone a bad person or does one bad thing automatically eliminates all good things and makes him/her a bad person immediately? Small historic example: Richard Wagner and Henry Ford were both racists. Both are admired today - one for his music, another for his business acumen. Are they bad people?

Yes. Ford literally supported Hitler, and received a Grand Cross of the German Eagle. Ford's contributions to the nazi war machine cannot be understated, and you could possibly say he was indirectly responsible for hundreds if not thousands of Allied deaths, not to mention the slave labourers he used in Ford-Werke plants.

[CaptainYooh]

He (Sterling) might be. From what's published by the media, he is definitely not a likeable person. That's not the verdict. He might have contributed m,millions to orphans (I am not suggesitng that he did). Would he still be a bad person? Was Henry Ford a bad person? Let's take modern day controversies blown out of proportions by media coverage: Are Rob Ford, Cal Wenzel and Sean Chu bad people?

P.S. Did not see the post above re Henry Ford. I agree with that. The magnitude of racial hatred and Nazi support makes him a bad person on my books. But that is not an opinion shared universally.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

He might be. From what's published by the media, he is definitely not a likeable person. That's not the verdict. He might have contributed m,millions to orphans (I am not suggesitng that he did). Would he still be a bad person? Was Henry Ford a bad person?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

Pretty much all that needs to be said about Ford. Mengele called his writing "inspiring".

[CaptainYooh]

See the edit in my post above. I don't want to be seen as proclaiming Sterling a good person and defend his remarks. I don't know much about Sterling other than what's published on the Internet. I am concerned about media's increasing propensityy to label people bad without due process and scrutiny. Wikipedia mentioned some fairly influential individuals and intellectuals worried about the limits of media's intrusion into what people say privately and its ability to ruin lives.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You own your girlfriend?

What a weird and petty thing to try and tu quoque someone on.