New NHL Awards?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think they should change who votes on them. Then you might get the people who actually deserve it. Why doesn't the NHLPA vote on all the awards? Or maybe coaches/asst coaches?

Quoted for truth. Also this would remove the heavy Eastern bias for all the media types who can't stay up past bedtime.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think they should change who votes on them. Then you might get the people who actually deserve it. Why doesn't the NHLPA vote on all the awards? Or maybe coaches/asst coaches?

Players would be even more biased than journalists. Most of them don't watch much hockey. They would almost all vote for a teammate. And the NHL player pecking order is very much based around longevity and popularity.

The award I'd like to see is defensive defenceman. It's loopy that the NHL has an award for best defensive forward and it doesn't have one for best defensive defenceman.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Players would be even more biased than journalists. Most of them don't watch much hockey. They would almost all vote for a teammate. And the NHL player pecking order is very much based around longevity and popularity.

The award I'd like to see is defensive defenceman. It's loopy that the NHL has an award for best defensive forward and it doesn't have one for best defensive defenceman.

I don't think any of this is true. These guys are grown men, not pee-wee kids voting for their captain. They certainly understand better than anyone who is better than who. Has anyone ever had a problem with who ended up with the Pearson award? The writers don't have bias because their homers (some of them are) they have bias because they can't see all the teams or players. These guys play every team. Many of them multiple times. And yes, they watch hockey all the time. Maybe not at home so much, but during the season they aren't home all that much and the TVs in the arenas/dressing rooms constantly show highlights and games. Even if they made a conscious effort to avoid it, they watch more hockey than most. There's also many more players than journalists. If there are any players who unjustifiably vote for their teammate, it wouldn't skew the results as much as a writer does.

But, if anyone, the coaches are probably best positioned to make judgments on how players impact the games.

[cannon7]

I'm all in favor of getting the hockey press out of the nomination/voting process -- they are clearly unqualified. Might as well have fans do the nominating/voting and get a result like the all-star games.

[Regorium]

Out of curiousity, who would be nominated for the Norris if such an offensive defenceman award existed?

Regehr? Mitchell? Orpik?

Or are we actually going to agree that offence has some bearing on the quality of a defenceman?

[sharkov]

Best playoffs coach award

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by googol

Are you saying you would choose Vlassic over Subban on your hockey team?

I would definitely have to give it thought.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Out of curiousity, who would be nominated for the Norris if such an offensive defenceman award existed?

Regehr? Mitchell? Orpik?

Or are we actually going to agree that offence has some bearing on the quality of a defenceman?

Of course it has bearing on the quality. The concern is that voters are quite obviously putting more emphasis on that than anything else, and as the award is for defenseman, it irks people when better all around players get snubbed in place of players who are obviously offensive catalysts, but are not as good overall.

All things equal? Yes, take the guy with the most points. But that's really the only time it should come into play. They should be looking at other areas first.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I don't think any of this is true. These guys are grown men, not pee-wee kids voting for their captain. They certainly understand better than anyone who is better than who. Has anyone ever had a problem with who ended up with the Pearson award? The writers don't have bias because their homers (some of them are) they have bias because they can't see all the teams or players. These guys play every team. Many of them multiple times. And yes, they watch hockey all the time. Maybe not at home so much, but during the season they aren't home all that much and the TVs in the arenas/dressing rooms constantly show highlights and games. Even if they made a conscious effort to avoid it, they watch more hockey than most. There's also many more players than journalists. If there are any players who unjustifiably vote for their teammate, it wouldn't skew the results as much as a writer does.

But, if anyone, the coaches are probably best positioned to make judgments on how players impact the games.

I would have voted for Perry in 2010-2011.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Out of curiousity, who would be nominated for the Norris if such an offensive defenceman award existed?

Regehr? Mitchell? Orpik?

Or are we actually going to agree that offence has some bearing on the quality of a defenceman?

Offense also has a bearing on the quality of forwards, but there's still an award for best defensive forward.

However, the evolution of Selke shows why my hope will likely never be realized. The Selke used to go relatively unsung shut-down forwards. Guys like Troy Murray, Guy Carbonneau, and John Madden. Now, it goes to the NHL star forward who also happens to have a good defensive game. Why the change? Because the NHL decided that it wants to use the awards to market the star 15-20 players in the league, not the overlooked grinders.

That's why I doubt there will ever be a defensive defenceman award in the NHL. The league doesn't want precious marketing potential being wasted on low-profile players like Regehr, Vlasic, and McDonough.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Out of curiousity, who would be nominated for the Norris if such an offensive defenceman award existed?

Regehr? Mitchell? Orpik?

Or are we actually going to agree that offence has some bearing on the quality of a defenceman?

I would just make the offensive defenseman award a product of simple math. Offensive stats are easy to figure out and speak for themselves. Make it like the Richard award, but for defensemen (and include assists).

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sharkov

Best playoffs coach award

So, the guy who coached the cup winning team?

[DSIM420]

I think anything they keep stats for should have an award. Hits, Blocked shots, etc...

[Macho0978]

I think they should have the Wayne Gretzky award for MVP of Forwards. This way you have an award for forwards, defence and goalies and the Hart goes to the overall MVP. I think forwards get the Hart to much because defence and goalies have their own award

[Mister Yamoto]

Have less awards. Who the hell would want to win a Lady Byng?

Vote after the playoffs, not before.

[ScorchyScorch]

there should be a most points for D award, which will in turn give the Norris more focus on all around game as opposed to electing Karlsson every year just for having stupid numbers.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by DSIM420

I think anything they keep stats for should have an award. Hits, Blocked shots, etc...

Not when it's so subjective from rink to rink. They would need to get NHL employees to review all game tape and come up with correct values for hits, block shots, etc.

[Parallex]

Restructure like so (you can call them whatever you like)...

Award for Highest Scoring Forward
Award for Highest Scoring Defenseman
Award for Top All-Around Forward
Award for Top All-Around Defenseman
Award for Top Goaltender
League MVP
Award for Top Coach
Rookie of the Year

All subjective awards are determined by peer vote (the PHWA is out. Coaches vote for the coaching award, players vote for the player awards... no voting for anyone on a team you started the year or finished the year with allowed).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Restructure like so (you can call them whatever you like)...

Award for Highest Scoring Forward
Award for Highest Scoring Defenseman
Award for Top All-Around Forward
Award for Top All-Around Defenseman
Award for Top Goaltender
League MVP
Award for Top Coach
Rookie of the Year

All subjective awards are determined by peer vote (the PHWA is out. Coaches vote for the coaching award, players vote for the player awards... no voting for anyone on a team you started the year or finished the year with allowed).

I wonder if the scoring awards would hurt those winners' chances of the all-round award.

You'd also thing the MVP would be automatically one of the winners of top d-man/fwd or goalie.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wonder if the scoring awards would hurt those winners' chances of the all-round award.

Does the Art Ross/Rocket Richard currently hurt those winners' chances of the Hart? It's basically the same principle.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You'd also thing the MVP would be automatically one of the winners of top d-man/fwd or goalie.

You'd think. I mean really it ought to be a strange thing if one of the best Forward/Defenseman/Goaltender somehow isn't also the league MVP nah?